If you read my earlier post, you’ll note that I said I worked Labor and Delivery while in college. Nice shot at dismissing my opinion though, Broomstick. Nice to know you haven’t gone soft.
It’s not pain that I’m worked up about. It’s disrespecting the sanctity of motherhood. A woman in labor experiences the most intense pain known to mankind, and it pisses me off to hear men talk about it as if they have any fucking clue what it’s all about. It’s the attitude of “My team’s better than your team” or “I’ve got more money than you” or “I’ve got a nicer car than you.”
You don’t have a bigger dick than us, so stop trying to measure. This is one of very few categories in which we are superior to you physically, so let us have it. Leave it the fuck alone. It’s not a goddamn contest. It is one of the most satisfying and sacrificial experiences a woman can have, and getting kicked in the nuts just doesn’t compare.
Such a harmless statement, I suppose, “Grow a pair of balls and then tell me about pain.” To be honest, I’m surprised at myself that this bothers me as much as it does, but in the words of the great Father Shrew, “Them’s Fightin’ Words.”
Well, I think there are people who deserve to die, and a goodly amount of them are guys. If they deserve death, then surely they aren’t above a good nut crackin’?
Excuse me??
I always heard being kicked in the nuts compared to a bad set of cramps, complete with the " I wanna puke" feeling. Which is, as I have heard it, nothing compared to childbirth. I mean, something that big should not go through a hole that small…
When was the last time someone died from a kick in the nads?
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This is not a contest. That’s what I said earlier. The thing is that men have no idea what labor is like, but women have no idea what nut crunching feels like. We can’t compare and that is the deal. I would personally like to honor all women that have given birth, it must be incredibly rewarding. I also think that the women that believe that labor is no comparison to ball kicking should try to understand that getting hit there isn’t a walk in the park.
Which part confused you?
And ringmaster, that’s fair. We can’t possibly understand the extent of each other’s pain, so the argument is a futile one. I’m still not sure why your comment struck such a chord with me, why it enraged me the way it did, but I certainly still agree with the point of your OP: ball-kicking is not funny. Ever.
Ah, yes, people die from childbirth. People also choose childbirth. Somewhere, right now, some woman is lying next to some man, and saying: “Let’s make a baby”.
I think you’d be hard pressed to find any man lying next to anyone saying “let’s rupture my testes”.
Okay, so I’m sure it happens SOMETIMES, but I doubt with the stunning regularity of the other…
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I understand shrew . Sometimes little stuff can really catch me off gaurd and start a huge fire.
Well, the part where you make it a competition, followed by the part where you state that it’s not one, and then the subsequent part where you make it one again. I mean, really?
‘[S]uperior to you physically’ undeniably implies a contest. And if it ‘just doesn’t compare,’ then, I mean, there must be some sort of comparison, right? There’s just no way you can say claiming superiority is consistent with asserting that it’s not a contest.
But I’m willing to let go of this minor complaint since you seem to have reconciled your differences with ringmaster, and I agree with both of you. And since it’s not really any of my business. I guess it was just that your blatant hypocrisy struck a chord with me. Just joking. I don’t wanna get kicked in my nuts or give birth, and hopefully I’ll never have to do either (although my chances of being kicked in the nuts are substantially greater, as my equipment is much better suited for that than the other), and hopefully, you know, all your wishes in the matter will come true too.
Do you think this statement a bit over blown? I believe if we tried, we could find some an even more extreme form of pain (unstopping torture can be very unpleasant).
You see it takes two to play that game, and you are just mad at the other side for playing it too. I am not saying you can’t be mad, but please step off of that high horse :).
Here you go from first telling people not to measure, to claiming superiority, to again going back and to saying it’s not a contest.
Well to be truthful you don’t know if men (broad generalization of a gender) know what the pain is like or not, likewise no one knows if you know what the pain is like. Please remember pain is not tangeble it cannot be measured accurately by recall or personal judgement.
To say men don’t know what they are talking about and you do, would be greatly misleading. Unless you have had both done to you (have you even had one of them?) you don’t know how they compare. Even if you did have had both, you would only know them as you feel it. However, pain is different, since everyone experences pain differently.
efrem, on the other hand, is not willing to let it go.
Or, apparently, to read your last post.
I’m not sure how saying “getting whacked in the balls hurts as bad as childbirth” (whether true or not) is somehow “disrpecting” the “sanctity” of motherhood. Maybe it’s just a way of saying “this is the most intense pain a man can experience”.
Huh. My mother - who, with four children, knows about childbirth - still stays her second heart attack hurt just as bad as giving birth. She has also been pretty clear that not every time she gave birth hurt equally as much. I have heard that from other women who have given birth more than once. There is considerable variation between instances. My sister who had the terrible time while pregnant said that both her labors, while painful, were not as bad as she expected them to be and she was so miserable while pregnant it was a relief as much as anything else to have the baby. Mental state has a huge effect on how a person perceives and deals with pain.
Also read an autbiographical story by someone who (barely)survived a bad skydive. She said hitting the ground at 80 mph, breaking every major bone in your body, and rupturing multiple internal organs made the pain of childbirth (which she had also experienced) “feel like stubbing your toe” - painful, but not the most painful possible.
So, I would say that childbirth is the most painful thing a woman is likely to experience in life, and getting zapped in the nads the most painful a guy is likely to ever experience.
Yeah, I do cringe when I see a guy get it in the nuts. It looks painful just to watch.
Darn it. Efrem stepping off his own high horse
I see that. In my head, I was thinking “This is the only way we’re superior to you physically to you guys.” I somehow didn’t type that. I don’t really see men and women as superior or inferior, just qualitatively different forms of the same species…valuable in different ways on many different levels. I understand your point though.
You are correct that I have had neither done to me, but doesn’t watching hundreds of screaming bleeding women give birth count for some form of experience? Happy to say, however, that I have absoutely no experience in the ball-kicking department. I did watch a girl get her labia sewn back together once after injuring herself in a bike accident. She certainly looked like she was in pain… until the drugs kicked in, and then she was happy as a lark…well, a lark having her labia worked on.
Thanks for the understanding, White Lightening.
Any time. Glad we could all come to an agreement on the issue. This is definitely a thread for the ages – men and women recognizing and accepting each other as different without coming to blows. I’m honored to have shared it with you, shrew.
my “friend” once kicked me in the jibs cuz he thought it was funny. that defiently brought a tear to my and and sent me to the ground… not fun
I don’t believe that. I can think of several other things that would undoubtedly be more painful, but I’ll leave those to your imagination.
But, I also don’t believe it because I’ve been told by several women (some of them nurses) who have had both children and kidney stones that kidney stone pain is much worse. Labor pains come and go; kidney stone pain is constant, and there’s no benefit to look forward to.
You want to know how I described the pain when the paramedics arrived to transport me to the hospital with my kidney stone attack? “It feels like I’ve been kicked in the nuts.” —the difference being that the pain from being shoed in the scrote eventually passes. This wasn’t passing.
I had never had kidney stones before so I had no idea what the hell was going on. Thoughts like ruptured appendix and strangulated hernia were going through my mind, but the closest description was a hard nard shot.
I must say that I certainly am glad for the existence of morphine.
I see I’m not going to live this one down. Yes, yes, kidney stones are bad. Falling from an airplane is bad. Hurts like hell, I’m sure. But are those people making conscious choices to suffer pain in what (for many women, not all) is an altruistic sacrifice of self in order to create life? Hell no. Kidney stones happen to you, and you want them to go away the second you discover you have them. Falling from an airplane happens to you, and I would venture to guess the woman mentioned didn’t ASK for it. Women (in better case scenarios) choose to have children. We elect to take the pain on ourselves in order to benefit someone else. As was previously stated, somewhere some woman is saying, “Let’s make a baby.”
Of course, that really has absolutely no bearing on my previous statement, which has been judged false by you fine Dopers, but I’m a glutton for punishment who can’t abandon her post once she’s staked claim to it.
Hm…just call me Dances with Dopers.
Lemme get this straight: Because (some) women choose to get pregnant and endure labor and delivery, the pain is somehow ennobled, because of its altruisim? that since no altruistic method of getting kicked in the nads exist there’s no comparison?
Don’t bogart it, futhuchrissakes!
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Jesus- I thought I needed a checkup from the neckup.