Non-Apology Apologies and why they don't help a goddamn thing

Now you’re arguing about board policy?

Getting back to your original beef, you thought that CKDH insulted you. He disagrees. A review of what he typed reveals that he was correct in that he didn’t insult you, but rather a course of action suggested by you. Since he was basically right, he isn’t going to offer a REAL apology, especially a sincere one since he has no reason to be sincere in apologizing.

Don’t pit him for offering a “non-apology apology” when he has no reason to offer one in the first place. Don’t nitpick the wording of his posts to try to dig your way out of a shit hole. And for fuck’s sake, quit using fucking word equations in your posts!

Apparently to Minnie - and only Minnie - the action and the person are one in the same.

I wasn’t making an argument. I was asking a question. In the answer, I got what was quite apparent to me as an insult. Not the world’s worst insult, no. But an insult, nonetheless, in response to a polite question. I asked why exactly did I need to be insulted? I got two non-apology apologies. That’s what really pissed me off. The fact that no one could just say “Okay, using the word “assinine” to talk about posters who are generally behaving and obeying the rules wasn’t a very good idea.”

I still think the troll/GD rule is ridiculous. Saying “I disagree with your argument because of this fact or this opinion”-- THAT’S having a discussion. Or saying “your argument is weak because of X,Y, and Z.” “Your argument is asinine” is just insulting someone, not debating them.

If I knit something, that makes me a knitter.
If I pay taxes, that makes me a taxpayer.
If you perform an action, you become a person who performs that action.
If I say George W. Bush tells lies, I’m calling him a liar.

It’s quite simple, except when you want to be deliberately obtuse to suck up to a mod.

If he didn’t mean to insult me, why did he offer a non-apology apology? Why did he not say, “I’m not going to apologize, because I didn’t intend to insult you”?

Sincere apology= I did something wrong, but I’m owning up to it.
Polite refusal to apologize=I don’t think I did anything wrong.
Non-apology apology=I did something wrong, but I’m not taking responsibility for it, I just want you to think I am.

Oh, and I’m not holding my breath for any apology, or for anything to change. Like I said, I’m not stupid.

Cite?

Too easy.

Actually, even by your ‘logic’ you’re stupid. You’ve done at least one stupid thing in your life, haven’t you? By your standards, that makes you stupid.

Oh, wait. Let me translate that for you:

You’ve done at least one stupid thing = you’re stupid.

You’re wrong about this

No, if you’ve done at least one stupid thing…

It all boils down to the nuances of the spoken word. On a message board. Of course, if the OP has to read all the posts out loud while reading them, then they’re as dumb as a brick. If they know what that means.

Even if we avoid the semantics of whether describing as asinine an action you admitted to performing means that you are being described as asinine, it is still rude to reply to a simple question like “Can we do X on the SDMB?” with “Do X on the SDMB? How asinine!”, especially outside of the Pit.

Oh no! Tapioca, Miller and UrbanChic think I’m stupid! I suppose this means all my hopes of being elected Queen of the Dex’s Knob Gobbler Club are just DASHED! DASHED!!! <sob>

Yes, exactly. Even if we leave that other part aside, because I don’t think either of us is going to convince the other, that was just plain rude. Whether you think he was personally insulting me or not. How about “You didn’t know SkipMagic was a mod now? How asinine!” or “You’re wondering why no one told you about the indent tag? How asinine!”

I’m insulted by the implied homophobia in your post, and demand an apology.

Minnie, I don’t know if you have kids, or if your parents ever said this, but when I was little, and I did something wrong, my mother would point out to me that just because I did something wrong, that was stupid, did not mean that I was stupid, or that she didn’t like ME. She just didn’t like what I did.

By your logic, if your kid misbehaves (as every kid has done), that makes the kid a bad kid.

I’m not so sure.

I started forming a dumbed down explanation to you showing how Dex nost certainly did not insult you and really had no reason to reply. The further I got into this thread, the more I realized that no matter how dumbed down I made it, it wouldn’t be dumbed down enough for you to get it.

Stop with the spit-flying hysterics long enough to go back and read, very carefully, word for word, ask if you need help, and you will see that he did not insult you. It has nothing to do with mothers or people who live in Colorado or size 8 1/2 shoes. It has to do with you going total batshit by seeing something that wasn’t there.

You could have asked him what he meant instead of immediately assuming the worst.

I’m tired. Let me retry that sentence.
I started forming a dumbed down explanation to you showing how Dex most certainly did not insult you and really had no reason to APOLOGIZE.

I guess Lynn and Gaudere need to agree on the policy then, don’t they?

Unless, Lynn’s statement, made on 02-27-2005, reflects the new rule, while Gaudere’s statement, made on 05-04-2004, reflects the old rule.