'Cause if you remember, after Nixon resigned the Presidency Republicans regained control of the W.H. approximately 6 years later and didn’t give up control of it again for 12 years after that. Even though, in my opinion, Republicans don’t deserve to get another term in the W.H. in what time I have left on this earth, I don’t think this country has it in it to have one party (PRI) control everything in a manner similar to how México once did. Unfortunately. 'Cause Republicans are going down a VERY dangerous path in covering for this guy even if THEY don’t understand that in the least.
Recent NYMag Intelligencer article noted that a Trump loss in 2020 might not necessarily work out well for Democrats: The economy is poised for a big tumble after 2020 (which would be blamed on the Democratic president,) Senate still likely to stay red (and a Democratic president would only help it get redder yet in 2022) and Ginsburg and Breyer aren’t likely to be able to die or retire and still be replaced by liberal justices if there’s a blue prez but red Senate.
On the other hand Trump wouldn’t be president which is a much bigger issue than any of that.
Oh, he’ll be out of the “crappy” W.H. eventually, sure. But my point is: look at the trend for Republican presidents over the last couple of decades and decide what kind of person they’ll run for Prez post-Drumpf. To me, it’s NOT a promising trend, at all.
This has been my primary concern. Voters just don’t get that the current economy is not the creation of the current president. Trump has created policies that will seriously hurt our economy in the long run but, like he said, he doesn’t care because he won’t be around. That is a sickening statement. Can you imagine if a Democrat gets elected in 2020, the economy tanks in 2021, and they vote Trump the business genius savior back into office in 2024?
We all know there will be a downturn or recession eventually, because there always is. For the good of the nation and the world, the sooner it comes the better. Our luck it starts in January 2021.
I would dispute that the Senate is likely to stay red. There are a lot or R’s up in 2020.
In 2008 democrats won 8 senate seats, in 2014 the GOP won 9 seats. So it sounds like a swing cycle in the senate.
Yeah, the Republicans were definitely a majority after the 60s, helped in large part because the entire south was shifting parties. Carter only won in 1976 because of Nixon, and Ford’s pardon of him didn’t help someone who wasn’t considered a “real” president.
None of that is relevant today. The demographics of the country are utterly different and are rapidly moving away from the Republicans. The fact that the country has been nearly evenly split for so long is an anomaly and is going to end.
Trump is also an anomaly. Where in the Republican party is there a national figure remotely comparable to him? That’s why I boggle at the people who think Pence would be a problem if Trump got impeached. Is there anybody in the party less Trumpish and less a right-wing rallying point? Who else is there? The 16 nothings he defeated in the primaries? You think Alex Jones is going to get the nomination?
The reason that the Republican establishment fell to its knees kissing Trump’s ass is that they see no future at all without him. He leaves behind a black void. They all understand that viscerally. Without him all is nothingness - so they will back him until the last rat sinks with the ship.
None of this is going to matter
What a succinct summation of my life.
I SOOOOOOOO hope you’re right. But I’ve heard people [such as my brother-in-law, who sure seemed to be pretty strongly on the side of the "R"s when he lived in Alaska] predict the utter demise of the Republican Party before…
The American political system is not a sports league. When you lose an election, you don’t just shrug it off and say your team will win next time. The loss of the election is followed by a political party taking power and enacting its agenda into law. And those laws will still exist after the next election.
Even if the Democrats win the House, the Senate, and the Presidency in 2020, we don’t become a Democratic country overnight. The Democrats are going to have to spend years undoing all the damage the Republicans have been doing since 2016. That means that it’ll be sometime around 2024 before we get back to where we were in 2016 - and only then can we begin moving forward again.
To keep Trump’s base, repubs are gonna have to find someone worse. Probably someone from the muck of the internet. An Alex Jones type who still has a Twitter account. Being banned from the current social media giants may not even matter by then. Anyone can set up a social media platform for a special purpose.
Of anyone’s life, actually.
I don’t know the exact numbers, but it sounds like the Senate will be very close. The D’s need to pull out all the stops to get 50 seats. Sherrod Brown must keep his seat. @ Beto - Please focus on another Senate run.
With 50 Senators and Booker or Harris sitting at the dais to break ties, I hope American politics can get back on track. Start by rescinding the filibuster rule. Take no prisoners.
Trump has already delivered important security secrets to his best pal, Vladimir Putin — that blood has already flowed under the bridge. Sure, Trump is likely to start a war with Iran or North Korea, but would President Pence be much better?
The best hope for America is a severe economic crisis in Spring or Summer 2020. (Unfortunately, that seems unlikely; an ordinary stock market plunge won’t be enough. If some of the multibillionaires were willing to sacrifice a huge sum, could they pull it off? What if a few top countries — Germany, China etc. — act to embargo us or otherwise cause the U.S. to panic?)
This is true if the United States remains democratic, but it might not.
A good friend of mine (VERY sharp. He’s an engineer at Boeing these days) texted me the other day that the reason Repubes took the W.H. so soon after Nixon is probably because people didn’t think that what he did was a Republican problem so much as it was a Nixon problem. I think he probably has a point. I sure wouldn’t say that now, though (and I don’t think feels that way about the current situation, either)!
{Sigh} Unfortunately, I feel that you’re 100% spot on with this.
I kind of have the suspicion that a LOT of the GOP rank-and-file, especially some of the older, non Tea Party types, feel like they have the tiger by the tail and can’t let go.
I think initially, the temptation to have a GOP controlled Congress and President was too tempting for them NOT to support Trump, but then once he turned out to be such a dumpster fire, they were in too deep, and realized that if they turned on him, they’d alienate the more hardcore base who like Trump, and potentially the less hardcore Republicans, who are indifferent to him, while simultaneously realizing that they’d already lost the more moderate and centrist voters by supporting him in the first place.
I don’t see them turning on him, unless he does something that actually challenges the GOP wing of Congress directly, with the intent of lessening or removing their power.
I also think that if the Democrats were to win it all in 2020, they’d be absolutely stupid to make undoing Trump’s policies their priority. Better to move forward where they can, and mitigate where they can’t. But making a point of “undoing” Trump’s presidency looks every bit as petty and partisan as the nonsense the GOP is engaging in now.
You keep hoping for an economic crash. I’m not sure if you get your way that you’ll be pleased with the effects. I remember people on this board wishing for Trump to be the Republican candidate. How’d that wish work out?