norinew pits the City of Cumberland bureaucracy

On August 21st, mr. norinew and I went to court on a housing code violation. The code inspector has a hard on for us for some reason, and had charged us with chipped and peeling paint on the porch. We take to court with us a number of 8X10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and. . .what? Oh, sorry. Any way, we take pictures showing that our porch has been scraped and painted; but in court, the code inspector says, no, he meant the back porch (which he had never mentioned to us) and he has pics showing that the back porch does, indeed, have chipped and peeling paint. We were fined $250.00 plus $5.00 court cost, and ordered to fix the problem. Well, we didn’t have $255.00 at the time, so we arranged to pay it on Sept. 1. On Sept. 1, mr. norinew went to the courthouse, checkbook in pocket. At the courthouse, he was told that he could pay the court cost at the courthouse, but had to go to City Hall to pay the actual fine. So, he went to City Hall and paid the fine.

Fast forward to today, and what should come in the mail but a notice from the courthouse, saying the fine has not been paid, and furthermore, if it’s not paid within ten days, a warrant could be issued for my arrest! There’s a line on the notice that says: If you have any questions regarding this document, please call xxx-2105. So, I call the number and explain my problem to the nice lady who answered the phone. “Fines don’t get paid at City Hall” she says. “Well, that’s what my husband was instructed to do” “Was it a traffic violation?” “No, it was a housing code violation”. “Oh, those get paid at City Hall” Yeah, I knew that. She goes on to tell me that she’s not the person to handle this and transfers me to another nice lady, who proceeds once again to tell me that court fines don’t get paid at City Hall. “It was a housing code violation” says I. “Oh, those get paid at City Hall. Then City Hall is supposed to notify us that it was paid. You need to contact City Hall and tell them to notify us that the fine has been paid”. So, I (in a foolishly hopeful state of mind) call City Hall. I speak with a very nice lady who informs me that court fines do not get paid at City Hall, until, of course, I explain that it’s a housing code violation. “Oh, well, you want to speak to Anna about that. I’ll transfer you”. A moment later, the same nice lady comes back and says Anna’s not answering her phone, but she’ll give me the direct number. A few minutes later, I actually get ahold of Anna (she is very nice), who informs me that she notified Becky at the police department that the fine had been paid, and it’s actually Becky’s job to notify the court house. So, feeling somewhat less hopeful, I call Becky at the police department. I get her voice mail. She calls back while I’m doing dishes and don’t answer the phone. When I see on my caller ID that she’s called, I call back, and actually get to talk to Becky. She’s very nice. But she explained to me that it is not the police department’s job to notify the court house, except in the cases of traffic, skateboard or pedestrian violations. Becky asks me to hold for a moment while she contacts someone at City Hall to help me. But a few moments later, she comes back on the line saying “Well, it’s five after four, and everyone at City Hall leaves at four, but I’ll contact someone from City Hall in the morning, and have them call you”. Somehow, I’m not comforted. I’m not certain, but I believe Dante wrote about this kind of shit.

We’ll see what happens tomorrow, but I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for the bureacracy to sort this out.

Dante? or Kafka?

Good luck, BTW.

On reflection, I’m sure it was Kafka. I was too damned frustrated to think properly! Thanks for the good wishes, though. I’m sure we’ll get it straightened out.

Just so you know, at the time of your posting, Anna, Becky, Dante, and all the other folks from town hall were discussing how calls will be routed tomorrow :wink:

I don’t have any doubt of that at all.

Gah. How fucking annoying. And the sad thing is that if you had sufficient political clout, this not only would be ended with one phone call, but it never would have happened in the first place. God go with you in your fight against this petty bureaucratic tyranny.

Good grief. You seem to be taking this very calmly. My blood pressure would be a stroke levels by now! Keep us posted.
On a related note, when you host your MAD party next month, perhaps you can get the Dopers that come by to join in painting the back porch? A little Tom Sawyer subterfuge to get a job done!

Liberal, thanks for your thoughts! Update to be seen below. . .

TwoTrouts, calmly? This morning I was in tears! Our dear Becky called me back and told me she had spoken with Fucky Chucky (there’s not really a “fucky” in his name, but given his behavior, we’ve Christened him with one), and he said he’s very upset that the fine hasn’t been paid yet, and I need to contact a bailiff immediately :eek: Well, I didn’t bother calling the courthouse again. Instead, I called Anna, at City Hall, who admitted yesterday that she actually has a record of the payment, but it’s not her job to notify the courthouse about it. Well, I gave her the phone number for the courthouse, and the case number, and she agreed to call the courthouse and notify them that the fine was, indeed, paid!

Ah, yes, the old “ply them with beer and convince them it’s a DopeFest” trick! Delightful idea, sir, but a couple of problems you couldn’t possibly have been aware of. For one thing, our house backs right up to our next-door neighbor’s backyard. A ladder is going to have to go in her backyard to do the job, and seeing as how she’s an anal-retentive, obsessive compulsive neat freak nutcase, she’s not going to be happy about it. I would imagine she would be even less so at the thought of half a dozen half-drunk Dopers in her yard (but the thought of it brings a smile to my face :smiley: ). Also there’s the idea that one of the things that needs to be taken care of is the eaves under the attic roof. This is going to be a tricky bit of work (which is why hubby contracted it out). At any rate, mr. norinew has contracted with a man who wants a new computer. We will supply him with a new (used) computer, and he will do the work! But, TwoTrouts, if I read your idea correctly and it meant that you, yourself, were willing to be spattered with white paint, you are one of my new best friends! :wink:

Further update: while I was typing my reply to Mr. Trouts, I got a phone call from Sue at the police departement. In my capacity of co-coordinator of the local crime watch, I’ve dealt with Sue before. As you already may have guessed, she’s very nice. At any rate, she had heard of my plight from Becky and volunteered to call Anna to instruct her on exactly what needed to be done! I could have kissed her! (True, I’m a heterosexual woman, and she’s married, as am I, but it doesn’t stop the feelings sometimes, y’know?).

Wonderful news! Thanks for the update, Norinew.

Don’t you just love beurocrats! Just a suggestion, but if the cheque has been cashed, how about smiling and saying, “See you in court.”? And when you get to court and the case is thrown out, ask the judge to award compensation for your lost wages, your stress, and their utter cluelessness.

I’m not sure she can do that. In some jurisdictions, magistrates not only usurp your rights, but endow themselves with mystical ethical attributes, prohibiting you from suing them without their prior permission.

Seriously, for all your American constitutional rights that holds the rest of the world in awe, the fact that you can be fined for some paint peeling off your own rear porch astounds me!

In all my 54 years in Canada I’ve never heard of such a thing !

Avoid strong drink. It makes you shoot at building code inspectors… and miss. :wink:

[ TwoTrouts, if I read your idea correctly and it meant that you, yourself, were willing to be spattered with white paint, you are one of my new best friends! :wink:

I would not have proposed the idea if I were not willing to pitch in myself! :smiley:

Me too brother (Except for the 54 years part).

I could almost understand if it was a commerical property where you could be responsible for other people’s safety or something, but your own house? The BACK of your own house? That’s just nutty…

Happens all the time in the U.S.A.

I own my house in an older part of town, with alleys down the back of the house. I received a letter this spring from the City that the alley, which I don’t own, is considered part of my responsibility to keep clean, and if the City, in its infinite wisdom, determines that the alley needs cleaning; they will bill me a minimum of $50.00 to do so. And it specifically states on the letter that there is no appeal process for this fine. (Although, I don’t know how well that would stand up in court).

I share my alley with 5 restaurants, a theater, a shoe repair place, a barber, a clothing store, 4 apartment buildings, and an office building. Plus the other 12 houses. It’s dirty pretty regularly, just from the garbage dumpsters.

I’ve also been “assessed” when the City decided to replace my front sidewalk, and been threatened with “assessment” when my tree began to interfere with the City’s aerial wiring right of way.

The City reserves the right to inspect for “quality of life” issues, including peeling paint, bad fences, roof replacement, security system issues, and garbage.

Yet I cannot get those bastards to clean the streets, or ticket the *&%()^ pizza drivers that have nearly run me over on 2 occasions…

Hmm, I’ll remember this the next time I bitch about my rent paying somebody else’s mortgage. Maybe it’s worth it to avoid the headaches of property ownership.

Cheers! :slight_smile:

Dunno about you gents way up north, but down here in the states, this is typical. Most municipalities have maxed out their millage, so they can’t legally get more tax revenue. Their only other option is the fee schedule, which isn’t regulated. They can require a dog permit, a dog permit application fee, a dog permit renewal fee, operating a unpermitted dog fine, your dog wants an uzi permit, etc. They’re all unlegislated taxes.

A buddy of mine has had a rude introduction to this crap when he decided to rent his former condo home. Fee to be a landlord, township inspection fee, heater certification fee, electrical certification fee, etc. Such fun!

Don’t I know it. My own borough has opposite-street parking for street sweeping two days a week. That’s fine, but they’ll ticket people for not moving their cars on days when they can’t sweep, like when it’s raining or snowing. So far, we’ve been nicked for this about five times. At fifteen bucks a pop, that’s $75 in unearned revenue.

Robin

Your post reminded me of the joys of parking in Philly. The parking authority wants the main streets clear at 4PM-beginning of rush hour. But, they can’t have the car hooked unless it has been cited for overtime parking. So, they started citing vehicles around 10 to 4. Meter is fed-it’s not 4, but you have a $20 ticket. I caught more than 1 meter person and complained, but their response is always the same-take it to traffic court. 30 cars on 1 city block = $600. Multiply that by the number of blocks, and the kickback to the parking authority from the “approved” towing companies, and you see why Philly has written many chapters on hosing the populace.

Sorry for the hijack, norinew.