I’m sure you’re about to elaborate, right?
I’m not sure but I would think even if it didn’t that a valid tribal id coupled with a PO box in the same district as the reservation should be sufficient to guard against voter fraud.
The problem seems to be that houses on the reservation don’t necessarily have street addresses assigned, or an address was assigned but the county didn’t necessarily tell the residents what the address was (since reservation homes don’t always receive mail delivery at the home, and many residences are owned by the tribe so the resident isn’t dealing with some of the standard paperwork that exists outside Indian Country, knowing your street address is apparently not necessary for purposes other than voting). Getting an address assigned is allegedly “easy” as long as you know what office to call (the county 911 coordinator probably would not have been my first guess), but it’s just one more hurdle to jump through.
So, did any of your profound thinking entertain the idea that, because reservations are unique places with unique circumstances, the law should make an exception for those people so that their voting rights would not unjustly be taken away?!
I thought not.
I can get a PO Box in Bismark for $8/month. Should I be able to vote against Heitkamp in North Dakota, or was Mr. Faith in fact, mistaken when he said “There is no good reason that a P.O. box is not sufficient to vote”?
BTW, for reference purposes, here is the ND SoS’s “ID Required for Voting” page:
So put just one DMV office in the whole state, too. There have already been cases where, after passing voter ID laws, states have closed down all of the DMVs in some counties. And guess which way those counties that now don’t have a DMV tend to vote?
How does this happen anyway? People on the reservation don’t live in houses? Aren’t the houses on streets? Don’t the streets have names?
I have a feeling that if the Dems took away every DMV office in the state, it would not turn into the electoral windfall you imagine.
I assign addresses for the county government. Very often, while a person has an address, it’s can be pretty bogus. Especially if there is no Postal Delivery. It’s never checked, and nobody used to care.
Things are getting better now with the onslaught of GoogleMaps and many municipalities using GIS.
I am one of many that doesn’t get my mail delivered, IF my physical address is in the USPS master address list, I suspect it puts me in the wrong town (most of my online searches put me in a town about 12 miles away).
I don’t know if when registering to vote, your address gets validated. I mail in my ballot, and my POB is in a different county that I live in (not that unusual where I live). Yep, the county I VOTE in mails my ballot to a POB in a different county.
So if I live in a place where mail delivery is to the post office, not my residential address, that means my bank statement and utility bill and other documents are going to bear the post office box address as well. For example, this article quotes a North Dakota local official as saying street addresses have been assigned in 99% percent of his county “in the past several years,” which implies that until quite recently many residences didn’t have such addresses. If I’ve had your bank account and other paperwork established at one address, the post office box, for some period of time, what was my motivation to rush out and change it (particularly given that the post office might not actually deliver it to the street address anyway–they don’t everywhere)?
IANAL but I believe the rationale is that they need your address to ensure you vote in the proper local elections. I am a huge proponent of Voter ID especially as a voter ID law would have prevented from someone else voting under my name in one election BUT this case is not what Voter ID laws should do. They should merely be a means to ascertain that you are who you claim to be. That’s it.
Because Dems don’t care who votes: citizens, non-citizens, convicted felons, people committing voter fraud, people who can’t poke a sharp piece of metal through pre-perforated paper, etc.
In fact, the ONLY time I can think of that Dems opposed voting rights was in 2000 when they tried to exclude absentee votes from military personnel in Florida.
Right, because Democratic voters (the ones in the cities) wouldn’t stand for something that corrupt, even if it did benefit them.
You mean, when they argued that the same deadline for mailing absentee ballots applied equally to everyone?
When I was a kid growing up, we lived for awhile at “Route 2, Box 86” on the outskirts of a small town. The house was on an unnamed gravel road branching off off another road (that did have a name), but the houses on that larger road did not have street addresses assigned–you lived on Jordan Road, but your mail was addressed to Route 2, Box 63 (or whatever), and if you needed the sheriff or fire department, you lived in the third house west of the creek with the big live oak tree. Meanwhile, the county land records merely had that you lived in the northwest quarter of section 16, township 6 south, range 12 west of the 6th principal meridian (made-up numbers because I don’t remember the real ones anymore).
This was in the 1980s, so not truly ancient history. With the advent of e911 systems, and particularly after 9/11 and the various federal funding initiatives since, there has been a real push to assign proper street addresses; my childhood home finally was assigned a street address in about 2005 or 6. Various newspaper articles and court filings say a similar process has been happening on the reservations in North Dakota; over the past several years, they’ve finally gotten around to assigning proper street addresses to a lot of homes that never had them before. However, the residents of those homes may not actually know what the address is (because mail delivery is still to the Route and Box, or indeed just to the post office box you’ve always used), and even the county emergency coordinators admit they might have missed a few places on the remote and sprawling reservations.
You do realize, of course, that convicted felons are legally allowed to vote in many states (heck, in two states prison inmates can cast ballots), and only in 1996 did federal law bar non-citizens from voting in federal elections; a few municipalities still allow non-citizens to vote in local elections.
Yes, the modern Democratic Party does believe in a wide franchise, and that a nation is stronger when as many as possible of the people affected by a government’s actions have a hand in choosing that government. Meanwhile, the Republican Party seems to be hearkening back to the old idea of a more exclusive electorate, when only “deserving” people (meaning, people with money and status) get to vote. If you are a U.S. citizen but live in an area where the nearest DMV office is 60 miles away (which is apparently the mean distance to the DMV office on the Standing Rock Reservation), well, you better be wealthy enough to afford good transportation to that office if you want to vote.
Oh, really? I guess SCOTUSblog is ‘fake news’, huh?
So you would agree that military ids should not be an acceptable form of voter id?
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What if it’s a large reservation that happens to include parts of more than one district? If I have a PO Box in district #3, but reside a few blocks away in district #4,
should I be able to vote for candidates in district #3?
Any of which must show the “Current North Dakota Residential Address” in order to be valid. And to reiterate, the problem is that these places don’t have normal residential street addresses, or even a rural route number. The mail isn’t delivered to their homes, but rather to P.O. boxes.
From what Ditka has copied from the law, it looks as if the requirements are the same for the ID for provisional voting as they are for regular voting. Lot of good that does.
OK, but how do these people vote? Sounds like your answer is “they can’t; sucks to be them.”
How do people on the reservation even know what district they are in without an address? Does each district have a different P.O. Box?