Good news, she’s been pardoned.
If your argument is that all religions are similar in their potential for misogyny, then we can agree. But why the assumption that a critical statement acknowledging the reality of Islam is a positive evaluation about any other religion?
It’s a wash. Whatever happened in Dubai stays in Dubai.
It’s a wash in the sense that a woman who may have been raped doesn’t have to go to prison and the rapist also goes free. It’s the best outcome given what’s happened so far, but it’s still pretty awful.
It doesn’t even require religion, I’ve heard “women, a broken leg and in the kitchen” from many a proudly-left-voting atheist. Last time, the other woman in the room said “gosh, and you say you don’t know why your wife left you? I do!” Religion is just a handy excuse.
Which is why their particular brand doesn’t matter, what matters is that in some countries they are in charge.
Because we don’t feel like letting the terrorists win? Because my mother, grandmother and great grandmother fought long and hard so that I could fully join public life and earn my place at the table in business, and I’m not about to let rapists and their apologists close off avenues for growth and prosperity to my gender. UAE is a big deal in some industries, including my own, and refusing to go there does cut off advancement. It would be a dishonor to all who came before me to let that go unchallenged.
The woman involved went through some very shitty experiences, but look at what she’s done to expose the problem and create international pressure. That is how change happens.
You would have a point if I had said anything at all about Christianity.
I was merely pointing out that as these laws are being observed and enforced NOW by CURRENT Muslim governments, arguing over their origins in Islamic law hundreds of years ago is pointless. Saying it’s “not Islamic law” when it clearly IS Islamic law in SOME Muslim countries because of a hadith that originated hundreds of years ago is ridiculous. So I ridiculed it.
That said, of COURSE most Islamic culture is bone deep in sexism and MUCH more virulently so than even our crazed Republican idiots like Tod Akins. Show me a few Western countries that have jailed women for reporting rape, if you please. Your notion that we are a few years away from being as bad as Islamic fundamentalists is ludicrous.
Does it not matter that the countries where they are in charge are almost entirely all of the same brand?
Dubai is hugely overrated as a place to visit. It’s basically Las Vegas with swarthier locals and less crime and fewer casinos.
I can come up with several Western countries where women would have been jailed if they’d been dumb enough to report rape, just within the last century, but you see, the locals weren’t that dumb and the amount of foreigners was tiny (specially the amount of foreigners who had nationalities, social status and ideologies which would have led them to trust the police).
Nowadays we don’t get jailed for reporting rape, but we run the risk of being told that if we wore jeans it wasn’t rape, if we wore a skirt it wasn’t rape, if the non-jeans trousers didn’t get ripped off it wasn’t rape…
Abu Dhabi is better.
E wry few months there’s a story about how a university or the military has threatened a woman with discipline for reporting rape.
There are still people who say that the Steubenville rapists were the victims of the liberal media.
Their airport is pretty fantastic.
I said generations, and it is only ludicrous because we would not let it happen. But yes, if conservatives had their way for a good length of time the result would be exactly the same.
Not going there seems like the best way of fighting it, UAE wouldn’t be a big deal if so many people didn’t just pretend it is a westernized place and treated it like a backwards hell hole that should be avoided at all costs.
That might work if we could get the men on board. But money talks and a real boycott is unlikely. Telling women the best response to injustice is to stay at home is not a solution.
I see the UAE airplanes all the time here Cleveland, Ohio USA.
Those guys spend millions to get good health care to torture women longer :P.
Tell me about these countries. (Genuinely interested in knowing)
England and Wales for one. Uptil the mid 70’s it was not unknown for rape victims to be called common prostitutes and for them to be arrested. Usually as a tactic to get them to shut up.