Now that Elon Musk has bought Twitter - now the Pit edition (Part 1)

Laughing with tears streaming here… my god, how does someone buy a platform so they can win internet arguments, and not even manage to do that?

Increased verification can change the abuse and bot landscape a little, but social media is full of abuse from full legal name accounts and to actually have an effect on the abuse and bot landscape increased verification would have to either be near ubiquitous or impose extreme restrictions on the unverified. And the effect is somewhat unpredictable.

And it’s only a useful tool against abuse and bots if it’s followed by fairly strict rules of conduct, the apparatus to enforce those rules and a large user base who accept those rules. If the rules are lax, the apparatus insufficient, and/or the user base generally disagree with the rules you have one sort of hellscape or another…

Geez, he sounds like he’s channeling Dolt45 himself.

While it’s fun to think about stuff like that, it’s important to remember that rich people control enough resources and narrative to avoid any kind of real reckoning.

Like in 3 months Musk will probably declare that he solved free speech and achieved his goal of purging the bots and trolls as well as clearing all the wokes out of the company. Then he’ll sell it to Joe Rogan for “an undisclosed amount”, claiming that this was his plan all along, and that any screwups going forward are the new buyer’s fault.

So, y’know, enjoy the meltdown while it lasts. Musk will still be a rich asshole on the other side, and probably won’t face the comeuppance we’d all like to see.

Other employees are reportedly being fired without notice.

Fired employees have filed class-action lawsuit.

I can’t find anything online but I heard a news report from one industry insider who is concerned that these layoffs will have a negative impact on Twitter’s ability to fact check.

How it started:

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How it’s going:

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I imagine twitter will now accept Rubles for verification payments.

I think that’s actually the point.

Many “free speech” advocates like Musk actually believe in “I want MY speech to be free of consequences when I repeat falsehoods, conspiracy theories, or other complete garbage”

That’s not a genuine tweet. Loser Donald doesn’t type “bigly”; it’s how he pronounces “big league”, which he spells as such.

Twitter layoffs may violate WARN Act

Twitter Inc has begun laying off employees under its new owner, Elon Musk. The San Francisco-based social media giant is expected to terminate up to 3,700 people - half of its workforce - on Friday, according to internal plans reviewed by Reuters this week. Twitter is already facing a proposed class action claiming the layoffs are imminent and will violate U.S. and California laws if employees are not given advance notice or severance pay.

The federal Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act requires businesses with 100 or more employees to provide 60 days’ notice before engaging in mass layoffs. The law defines mass layoffs as those affecting at least 500 employees during a 30-day period, or at least 50 employees if layoffs impact at least one-third of a company’s workforce. Employers can provide workers with 60 days of severance pay in lieu of giving notice.

Ok, here is the thing. I realized this and deleted the photos from my Flickr account. (I was past the edit period and thought that was my best option to not spread disinformation.)

And yet they still remain. I didn’t know the SDMB/discourse cached our linked-to pictures, but that seems (i am no expert) to be what happened here?

Ok, it’s late and I guess it’s akin to calling a winner with 2 minutes left to go, your team behind by 47, but I agree: it’s becoming readily apparent the Twitter backers don’t give a shit about earning their money back.

A play in three acts:

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Lou does marketing for F1, btw.

Elon is reportedly xonvinced that anyone who won’t give him eight bucks is a bot.

“Will no one rid me of this turbulent CEO?”

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Hank Green is awesome.

Will say, Elon is definitely posting through it.

They claim the lawsuit is because Musk violated the WARN act, which requires 60 days’ notice of termination, or 60 days’ pay in lieu. This is ALL OVER Twitter.

However…

So who is lying? It would seem that if Elon is, we’ll get a zillon Twitter employees yelling about it. I’m going to guess that the class action lawsuit was bullshit, or it was filed on behalf of Twitter users without the filers knowing the details.

Or Elon is lying about it, which makes little sense since he’d have to know that the fired employees would correct that record pronto and he’d look terrible.

Elon is lying. Like Trump, all you need to know is the personality.

I would offer a bet that Twitter has to pay something (a settlement, a judgment) but I believe it’s against the rules?

I’m pretty sure “I offered a lot of cash to these ungrateful wretches so I could break the law, it’s their problem they didn’t take my bribe” isn’t going to fly in a California court.

Everything we’ve been seeing from Musk suggests he’s making bad decisions and then trying to make excuses for them via tweet.

I also don’t inherently see the contradiction. A severance package and advanced notice aren’t the same thing. It would be possible he gave them the legally required severance, but didn’t fulfill the 60 days notice requirement.

His tweet could be 100% truth, yet he still have broken the law. Maybe he was dumb enough to think they wouldn’t sue if they got a good severance package.

Does anyone actually have information about the WARN Act or any other relevant laws?

The law is advanced notice or 60 days severance. Not both.