Now that Elon Musk has bought Twitter - now the Pit edition (Part 1)

Since they never come back alive, nor can they phone home, what they learn is immaterial.

Also kinda hard to learn much about the outside world from the hold of a Chinese fishing factory ship.

Because of increasing populations, there are reportedly more slaves now than at most times in human history.

Has he sent his standard reply (:poop:) yet?

At press time, he appears to be busy (checks notes) stanning the Ayatollah.

Ya gotta admit that if there is one person who can make Elmo look good by comparison, it’s probably the Ayatollah. So cozying up to the Supreme Leader only makes sense for Elmo’s pathetic need for approval.

Is it technically possible for the EU countries to block the Twitter website?

Only if they directly control the ISPs, as in China (I assume). Otherwise they just lean on the ISPs to do it for them.

In this context, “banning Twitter” is probably some combination of fining them into oblivion and voiding its ability to do business in the EU.

DSA enforcement can only be extended to “member states”, the USA is not part of it. So I’m not sure how much influence they can have on Twitter. I suppose that ISPs in the EU might potentially block Twitter by court order if necessary.

Is it likely the EU would only allow 24 hours for a response?

Elmo appears to be attempting to sealion the EU.

I’m not sure. Considering the gigantic stack of violations the platform has accrued over Musk’s tenure, I personally would “skip to the end” with the fucker. Especially after the back-talk @Smapti linked.

Just some reminders - first about the new EU laws From December 2022.

In November of 2022, he was warned directly:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/30/tech/twitter-eu-compliance-warning/index.html

Then, when Musk removed himself from the prior, voluntary standards, we have this in May of this Year:

So basically, all Musk sees is the requirements for Transparency, which he quite literally says he transparently doesn’t give a shit about what people post as long as they don’t personally piss him off. All those other requirements? No concern of his.

But according to the last article -

Companies face fines of as much as 6% of their global turnover for violations.

So yeah, just hit him with some bill based on his new CFO’s claimed numbers x the number of violations, and demand payment in 2 weeks. Just because.

In addition to the misinformation, I’m getting highly annoyed by people trolling for engagement by adding the following to their posts :

Like 🩵 if you’re for Israel :israel:
Retweet :repeat: if you’re for Palestine :palestinian_territories:
Comment if you want peace :peace_symbol:

I’ve been seeing this on my feed all day. Twitter sucks.

No. Humans (tool-using Homo spp.) have existed as hunter-gatherers for c. 96 % of their existence. In these circumstances, there is little to no use for thrall-like or any other type of slaves. As a very basic rule, each active H-G group can only provide for themselves and a little more, for a small number of offspring and the infirm. Further, low population density is a necessity due to the wild resources being thinly spread over the land, which means extra people aren’t really accomodated into the economic system.

After the adoption of agriculture, the situation changed dramatically. Extra hands tilling the land, watering the plants, feeding the animals, collecting the crops etc. etc. became highly desirable. A relatively small tract of land could provide plenty of surplus food, but only if there were enough people to work it. High population density became a possibility, turned into an advantage. For the first time in history, there was also personal wealth concentrated into the hands of a few. Enter slavery.

Many, if not most agricultural societies had thrall-like slavery. But even going by the earliest such societies, they in total consist of a tiny fraction of our human existence.

This may be true for nomadic H-Gs but was not always the case for sedentary H-Gs like the PNW First Nations. It would not surprise me if the same was common in other sedentary H-Gs like the Jomon and European Mesolithic.

And (pre-)historically, those H-Gs were the norm, not the marginally-confined nomadic ones.

Semi-sedentary hunter-gatherers are mostly a late development, in many cases younger than the adoption of agriculture elsewhere. Again, for the vast majority of human existence, mobile hunting and gathering was the norm. We are not discussing the situation within the past 1000 years, or even 10 000 years.

Even sedentary, “affluent” hunter-gatherer societies such as the Pacific Northwest peoples, or the Jomon, or H-G’s of the Bay of Thailand, didn’t have the population densities and the level of surplus / distributable wealth of agriculturalists. They had plenty of food and plenty of people, but only relatively so.

European Mesolithic is a huge blob of space and time, but for a big part of it, from the postglacial on up, Mesolithic Europeans were mobile hunter-gatherers, as well. And as the mid-Holocene Climatic Optimum wound down, many peoples reverted back to a more mobile subsistence, while most adopted agriculture to cope.

Yes, before agriculture came about and displaced the hunter-gatherers from the choicest lands, those choisest lands were the domain of hunter-gatherers. Imagine the richest river valleys etc. But even those places are only capable of massive surplus of calories when agriculture, especially intensive agriculture, is adopted.

From Warhammer 40k to Mesolithic anthropology. This thread has everything!

AIUI, the Imperium’s dogma is that the Emperor was born during the Neolithic Era and was guiding humanity behind the scenes from the dawn of history, so those two things are probably more closely interconnected than you’d suspect. :slight_smile:

Maybe in the PNW (although they didn’t have regular contact with the prehistoric agriculturalists to the south AFAIK), but definitely not the case for Jōmon, or the Epipaleolithic Near East.

I’m definitely not - that’s why I mentioned the Jōmon and Mesolithic Europe (I’m thinking specifically of such sedentary Mesolithic examples as the Ertebølle and Iron Gates cultures. There are more than those.), but also we can include the Natufian and Anatolian pre-agriculture cultures. And while only the PNW H-Gs persisted into historic times, similarly sedentary H-Gs were not restricted to that region of North America alone, before agriculture. Look at Poverty Point, for example.

But they did have higher densities than equivalent nomadic groups, which is what counts. Numerically, I think that density will lead to there being more sedentary H-Gs historically even if there are more nomadic groups.

And they had enough population and resource surpluses for occupational specialization, social hierarchies and slavery to develop, as the PNW cultures show.

I’ll just also note that you haven’t disputed that the PNW indigenes did, indeed, practice slavery, and so my original point stands.

Can I just break in to say that, as a PNW resident, this is news to me? I’d be interested in learning more if you know of an introductory read.