Nut With Gun at Town Hall

Yes. Because the left has always shown great respect for the imposition of will via majority vote.

Unless it’s called “Proposition 8,” or one of Prop 8’s ideological cousins. Then it’s tyranny of the majority.

I think this “resist forcefully the will of the majority” crap is… well… crap. But it’s amusing to watch the will of the majority being used as a high water mark of justification (at least by implication, here) when it’s disdained in other circumstances. If the majority’s will is dispositive, then it should be dispositive even when you disagree with it.

Which reminds me, elucidator – is the Campbells regular Cream of Mushroom, or is it permitted to go wild and spice things up with Golden Mushroom?

I’m by no means an expert on Minnesota quizine, haven’t been here long enough. Ask Dio or Nurse Carmen. However, if you want some advice on some really spicy mushrooms…

Can we have a “lefties are such hypocrites!” smiley? Save a lot of typing, and wear and tear on the hamsters.

Ha! You do realize the big scary gun you are citing (S&W Model 940 Centennial) is the bottom picture, not the top picture, right?

That big threatening gun is an M4.

The regular only!

And a hotdish must present at any gathering of more than 6 unrelated Minnesotans (hotdish and winters as cold as fuck is why I don’t live there anymore).

The most frightening hotdish I ever encountered was at a game feed, pheasant doesn’t really go well with canned green beans and cream of mushroom.

Wild rice. Lord God, how I hate wild rice!

This seems to be done on all sides of various debates and I do not see that one side has a monopoly on this.

If (for instance) a local populace votes to restrict guns the right scream and hollers just as much as the left does on Prop-8.

This particular tactic I see much more from the left than the right… although, having said that, I’ll admit it may simply be my own confirmation bias at work in reaching that conclusion.

In any event, you’re certainly correct in observing that no side has a monopoly on the tactic.

OK, then we need two “you guys are all a bunch of hypocrites” smileys. The standard would be of equal size, about 1 cm, but might vary according to how big a douche the poster is. This would have to be decided by a “douche panel”, naturally…

Random thoughts:

What I find most interesting about all of this is that not so long ago, just expressing a dissenting opinion from the party in power got you hauled off to a special place to “exercise your right to protest” when all you had was your voice and maybe a sign expressing your distaste/hatred/fear of Bush et al. Protestors were considered dangerous in this “post 9/11 world”. Ye gods, the national tragedies that were averted due to this “necessary security measure”. :rolleyes:

Now we have armed people with threatening signs and we’re all just supposed to get over it? :dubious: This isn’t a potentially disastrous situation at all! This is the Freedom For Which People Died or some such nonsense, I suppose. Just because he was within his legal rights, doesn’t make him right (or the behavior right).

And for all those here who want to Take Back the Open Carry for the Good of the Nation–I want nothing to do with you. Here’s a little secret I’ll let you in on: it’s awful hard to tell the smoldering, I’m-gonna-take-everyone-out-in-this-video-store gun nut loner from Joe America who “needs” to carry his gun. I can’t tell the difference at 20 yards or 20 feet. I’d rather do my shopping without having to make that judgment call. But I live near Chicago which isn’t part of the real America, I suppose. I find it disingenuous that those who argue for open carry (it’s legal so therefore good!) to say that guns are tools. A hammer doesn’t usually intimidate me . A gun always changes the social equation–and I think you all know this, because it’s one of the reasons you carry them.

At this Obama thing: I don’t care if Skippy was carrying a rifle, an automatic, a pistol or a revolver(and I couldn’t tell you the difference between any of them. I can recognize a water pistol, though). Whatever it was or is–it’s a weapon and a deadly one at that. I don’t want him anywhere near a volatile social situation because humans make stupid snap judgments all the time. Just because he happened not to, doesn’t make it less likely that someone else won’t as well.

I do wish that those who are pro-gun would stop imbuing gun owners with superior decision making skills and emotional control. It’s as bad as those who are anti-gun characterizing pro-guns as drooling penilely challenged hicks. NEITHER is true-gun owners are human and therefore prey to emotional upsets, fear, paranoia, reasoned thinking and forbearance, sometimes-just like anti-gun folk. How about that.
And think on this: you can take as many classes in gun safety as you like, just like you can take as many driving classes as you want–neither one guarantees that you will make the right decision for the situation that faces you in that instant that you have to act or react. So, “the NRA provides classes on gun safety” doesn’t hold much water for me (it’s a start, but only a start–like driver’s ed is only a start).

For every “responsible” gun owner out there, there’s a yahoo who wants to raise hell. Cases in point: My ex-Marine neighbor, he’s won many a shooting contest (no idea of the proper terminology–thank God I’m not a journalist!); keeps his guns in a safe and he makes his own bullets. He is a model gun owner whom I feel comfortable around, but I’ve known him for 20 years.
Compare him to the neighbor 2 doors down: 2 boys who are now in their 20s (one is married with a kid), who spent their teenhoods “impressing” their girlfriends by shooting their rifles (not BB guns) at squirrels on the golf course located across the street. Oh, those pesky kids–but they’re not kids anymore. They’re 20+ and still doing shit like this.
Ex-Marine neighbor didn’t go to NRA classes* (that I know of); the 2 “boys” did. You take what you want to from education–but ultimately, the holder of the gun makes The Decision. I don’t trust any of you to make the right one all of the time. But that’s another thread.

(and no, I am NOT saying that NRA classes encourage irresponsibility–I’m saying that exposure to education is not a guarantee of gun safety).

One minor note, Eleanor? It’s ‘people who have a concealed carry license’ that apparently have ‘superior decision making skills and emotional control’. Not just ‘gun owners’ in general. It’s a much smaller subset, with statistics that do back up the claim they are less likely to commit crimes in general, including crimes of violence.

Well, of course they do! People with criminal backgrounds are pretty much excluded, so any comparison to the general population is automatically skewed. If it were possible to obtain valid statistics for people who carry guns without a permit, you would have a very, very different picture, wouldn’t you?

So, people who have been compliant with the law tend to be compliant with the law. Color me stunned.

Wrong again. Prop 8 is different. Because of majority of the people already voted on the Constitution, and amendments thereto, saying that civil rights of people cannot be denied by a majority vote.

Key-fucking-rist! I didn’t say jack shit about the gun being big and/or scary, you knee-jerk, dumber-than-a-plumber tighty-righty. I was obviously commenting on the ever present instaposts about how “guns aren’t necessarily for killing-some are for competition shooting at paper targets.” It’s rather obvious what that particular weapon was designed for.

I don’t believe that for a minute. How does getting permission to carry a concealed weapon suddenly make you have greater maturity etc? It shows you have patience and persistence AND have made this a priority in your life. How would you go about “proving” this new found level of superior decision making? Cops make mistakes with guns, as do CIA agents, FBI folks–mistakes happen. Shit happens. There is no way to predict with absolute certainty that someone will NOT become trigger happy.

To be clear: I am not afraid of firearms per se. I am only afraid of firearms when they are attached to a human, any human, in some way.

And before we get into a “Czarcasm says plumbers are dumb-he’s an elitist!” hijack, I am obviously referring to Joe the Plumber.

I don’t want to derail, and I also don’t want to get into a lengthy debate BUT…

According to the things I’ve myself said, I’m sure there are some who consider me to be a lefty, at least partially. However, I am also on record as being against the “take guns away from everyone” crowd.

Don’t paint with such a broad stroke. Big generalizations don’t work for either side.

I’ve known some plumbers (the real ones). They make more than I do.
Who’s the dumb one? :eek:

What use would the data about criminals who carry guns be in determining public policy about the legal permitting of carrying guns?

Well, most people fighting against CCW laws would indeed disagree with this notion. After all, we’ll have firefights over parking spots!!!1111one, remember?