Thanks Buck. Interesting reading.
This excerpt from the judgment:
From the WaPo article:
What’s 20,000 square feet between friends? A rounding error, at best.
Thanks Buck. Interesting reading.
This excerpt from the judgment:
From the WaPo article:
What’s 20,000 square feet between friends? A rounding error, at best.
Surely Trumps Saudi friends would have loaned him the spare 20,000 square feet.
If you meant the September 28 order dismissing his request to delay the trial, it’s here; quite short. Decision of the Appellate Division of the Supreme Court, 1st Department; 5 justices of the Court issued the order.
The nice thing about seeing the actual order is that the media description of it as being “two pages” is correct but misleading. Almost all of it is just pro forma legalese. The part that actually matters is this, which is set out with no further explanation deemed necessary:
It is ordered that the motion for a stay of trial is denied
I think it’s worth mentioning that in NY State “The Supreme Court” is not the highest appeals court (although it does have an appellate division). It’s basically just ……court, it hears most original civil and criminal cases except those that fall under the purview of another specialized court, such as family court or small claims.
This is pretty standard for a formal order, in my experience. Not every order comes with reasons. Maybe it’s different in NY, but I doubt it. This seems pretty straightforward for an order.
It’s not different in NY; legal experts in NY have said the same. It’s just that to this layman pup, what essentially comes down to a one-line denial tends to read like: “Fuck you, Trumpie”. A sentiment that I admire!
That’s an older model, inherited from the English court system. Four Canadian provinces and two of the territories have supreme court as the main trial court.
Yes! A factoid I learned from watching every episode of Law & Order. I knew my TV law degree would come in handy one day.
This article suggests Trump could comply with the order to dissolve his businesses by having his wife Melania and/or daughter Ivanka set up their own companies and transfer everything to one or the other or both.
This can’t really be true, can it? The courts will see through an obvious dodge that changes the name at the top of the letterhead but leaves the same people inherently in control, right?
What does “no longer stand behind” mean?.
Does it mean that the licensed accounting firm once issued statements (valuations of real estate) which they knew were fraudulent? And which they did stand behind,until they got caught? That seems like they are admitting to criminal activity.
What am I not understanding?
See February 2022 discussion in, e.g., this thread starting at about post #4530.
Details: As JohnT noted in his post #4537 in that thread,
What they are trying to say seems obvious to me:
We too were fooled by trump. We did nothing wrong, he was just soooo much sneakier than we knew and we fell for it. We did the usual due diligence expected of any accounting firm; we’re not expected to be criminal investigators assuming every word is a lie and only accepting something as true after extensive and incontrovertible 3rd-party corroboration. Oops.
Fool me once shame on you = trump. But we won’t be fooled again; we’ve stopped doing all work for him so there won’t be fool me twice shame on me/us. See? We’re the good guys here. Don’t tar us with his brush.
Now whether any of that pleading is actually true, or is simply them as knowing criminals or at least nudge nudge wink wink passive accomplices now trying disingenuously to deflect all blame is a very very different question. And not one anyone can answer until / unless there’s a thorough criminal forensic investigation of that accounting firm. Which may well be in the offing.
But it’s hardly surprising they’re trying this gambit. Whether it will work or not in court or in the court of public opinion remains to be seen.
Apparently the Mazars accountants have already been denounced by the Trump Organization, for… being idiots enough to believe the information they got from the Trump Organization:
“Waaaaah!! Mazars didn’t do their due diligence to make sure that we weren’t being shameless crooks and liars! It’s THEIR fault we fraudulated! VERY UNFAIR!!”
Can’t make this shit up.
Translation:
We paid them to be our impenetrable shield and now they’re running away leaving us naked and defenseless. We want a refund. Or better yet, we want our human shield back.
Sometimes the trumpets can be honest, brutally so. You / we just need to learn to read the coded language.
What is this thing called a fraudulator? Can I buy one? Is it like a calculator but with missing keys, burnt out leds, and intermittent faults?
It’s a calculator that always gives you the answer you want no matter what.
The court appointed a receiver to handle the dissolution of the businesses. One of the jobs of a receiver will be to make sure the business debts are paid off, by selling the assets for fair market value. Assuming there are penalties from the upcoming trial, it would seem unlikely that a receiver would allow the business assets to pass to Trump’s wife or daughter for less than full value. But, if Ivanka is the highest bidder, I don’t know that there is anything in the law or the judge’s order that would prevent her from taking over.
The Kushners could probably afford it, but I’m not seeing a benefit for them to do so; taking on Trump businesses would shine a spotlight on them and their own businesses are hardly squeaky clean. And it’s not like family loyalty is actually a thing with them.
I can’t imagine it would be a great investment. If Trump loses in 2024, or is convicted in at least one of his trials, having the TRUMP sign on the side of a building is going to be even more toxic.