Yes, another Dio classic. You reserve the right to take back or downplay anything you say but others are held to their posts with utter specificity and exactitude.
Ok. I guess I greatly overestimated your intelligence. My bad.
McCain proposes the same policy.
Whatever. Keep believing your rapture myth. I’ll be laughing my ass off in 20 or 30 years when the American left is pushing policies to radically increase CO2 emissions to stave off the next ice age. Also, there was an article recently about a massive methane release that may make man-made greenhouse gases look like an even bigger drop in the bucket.
Right, but McCain is pandering. Obama is a believer.
Haha. Ok.
Obama has used it in his stump speeches-- I don’t see the difference between that and an ad. He also took McCain comments about $5M being “middle class” out of context (McCain said it as a joke) in front of something like 38M people in his acceptance speech at the Democratic convention.
Well, you haven’t seen all the ads, then. Just go to factcheck to see all the dirt. I agree that McCain is doing more of this, but Obama isn’t clean.
The real bummer in this deal is that neither of the wingnuts in either party has a true interest in making this country better, rather, they’re interested in making the country how THEY think it should be, and damn the people in the middle. Obama wants this, McCain wants that. Fuck, they both want the keys to the kingdom and the hold on the purse strings, but the money in the purse is OUR fuckin money. Obama has lied about McCain, McCain has lied about Obama, directly via ad campaign or by proxy in the way of a 527, they have people to do their dirty work and it’s getting done. Neither side is innocent and I’m weary of all of it.
Worth repeating.
I cringe at the handful of times Obama has made similarly disingenuous attacks, and despite an astoundingly positive campaign, he certainly has. There are definitely differences between each one, and while it’s interesting to split bananas over 100 years/bankrupt coal (it’s more than a hair difference, but not much), to suggest that one set of hands is clean is rhetorically vapid.
Bringing up Obama’s similar attacks, however, is childish. Oh, wait, we’re talking politics, aren’t we? Anyway, the “hypocrite hypocrite!” chant works in some cases, in others – especially those where the balance of negativity and chicanery is so overwhelmingly one-sided – it doesn’t. Taking things so drastically out of context and using it as lipstick on a gotcha ya is quite central to the reasons why many people turned against/lost respect for McCain.
This latest attack is abhorrent.
You are correct; I have not seen all the ads. I’m a bit disappointed to see that Obama seems to have done as much as he has.
Of course, I have still seen nothing except smear ads from McCain, so I suppose some reaction ads from Obama were inevitable.
::: sigh :::
Wow, you must be really smart, in that apparently you know more than the National Academy of Sciences, the American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the Royal Society (UK), etc., etc., etc. How do you find room on your mantle for all the Nobels?
He never said he wanted to keep them there for 100 years. I think you know this. If you disagree, I’ll have to ask for a cite.
And people, you included are covering for Barack here. I took his statement as the coal plants would close themselves because his policies would punish them so severely. I think that’s a fair reading from the interview. And if I recall, hasn’t he changed his tune somewhat on coal, being more accepting of it now as long as it means “clean coal technology”? And I don’t mean this to be a slam in any way about him changing his mind. If he got new info and did so, good for him.
Obama claimed it himself in several speeches. Though I think he abandoned that nonsense sometime around the first debate.
On preview, I see Mr. Mace has made the point.
Forget this global warming shit.
This pounding-Jessica-Alba-in-a-cheerleader-outfit thing… when can I watch that?
Agreed. Which is why McCain is the better choice–he will expand the government less than will Obama. In other words, if they are both doing their own agendas instead of truly acting in the best interests of the country, then McCain is the better choice because he will be doing less.
The thought makes me warm, I can tell you that. Perhaps the two are connected.
Is that what you think the repubs have done the last 8 years? No wonder conversations with you are fruitless. McCain, the war monger, will do more for Blackwater and Halliburton. He will probably attack Iran. The repubs run on a smaller cheaper government and expand it every time. They have thoroughly looted the system. If that is your definition of good for the country ,we know where you stand. In fantasy land.
He has repeatedly said he is fine with it, if you want to split hairs about whether that means he ‘wants’ it ok, but that’s pretty weak.
Ten minutes ago my brother just asked me if I wanted something from Burger King, I said a number 2 is fine, I really hope he comes back with some food.
Oh for fuck’s sake, can both sides stop acting so damn butthurt when we’re reminded that this is a political race, both candidates are politicians, and they’re engaging in the same damn mudslinging and dirty tricks that every other political candidate in history has?
These are all campaign promises, which are pretty much worth their weight in sand and dust. Someone is going to win, and what they do is probably going to have very little relation to the promises they made.
Your candidate lies. My candidate lies. You could call either of them power-hungry, manipulative assholes and probably not be wrong. This is no different from any other election, ever, so stop taking it like some personal insult.