They both lie, like all politicians, therefore we cannot be mad when they lie? Is that about it? I am somehow unpersuaded.
Are you retarded? 90% of the coal mined in the US goes for electrical prodution. Do you really think the coal mining industry won’t be affected if 90% of the market goes away?
McCain will run the country into a flaming wreak, just like Bush did. Atleast that’s what I’ve been able to gather from all his flip flopping. It’s hard to tell what issues he really stands behind.
The market would not go away. Obama was talking about transitioning to clean coal technology, not transitioning away from coal. Obama’s policy would actually be good for the mining industry, which is why the industry and the coal miners’ unions have endorsed him.
Incidentally, McCain supports the exact same cap and trade policy, but he actually does want to phase out coal completely. This is a phony issue, and a stupid one for McCain to pursue, since Obama wants to preserve the coal industry and McCain wants to eradicate it.
Funny, he didn’t actually say anything about clean coal, though. That’s just you trying to spin.
That’s cause they are unions. Unions could really give a rip about anything except their own benefits. See Auto Industry.
McCain has been nothing but consistant for calling for more clean coal. This is just you playing word games again, only this time dropping out the ‘clean’ adjective that you so graciously inserted into Obama’s statement.
Fuck the coal industry. It’s damn near criminal that a lot of us still get our power from steam generated by coal. Coal should be taken out back and shot for its history of corruption and inhuman treatment of employees, and for the practice of mountain top removal mining, if for no other reason.
Nope. Not only didn’t he say it, he didn’t hold the opinion or communicate it. That’s simply fact. The first hit from a search shows that to be the case. He didn’t “want” to be there for a 100 years, he’d be willing to be there for a hundred years, given the alternative:
This made its way into McCain’s stump speech today. He is telling voters in Pennsylvania that Obama wants to bankrupt the coal industry, and only McCain will protect coal miners jobs.
It’s weird that McCain is trying that tack since he not only supports the exact same policy, but wants to take it even further and phase out coal altogether.
You can get mad at whatever you want, but getting worked up over politicians lying is like getting angry about the sun rising.
Getting outraged over lies about campaign promises is like getting outraged over Ptolemaic geocentrism: it’s probably going to turn out to be false anyway, so you’re getting worked up over a double-dose of nothing.
Nuts to that, my friend.
The republicans claiming fiscal responsibility after the last 8 years is akin to Jeffrey Dahmer saying he’s hungry for a little Asian.
They’re both full of shit, it’s only a matter of degrees.
I’d like to fight this hijack by saying, at least in West-Central PA, the coal industry is ALREADY pining for the fjords. It is an EX-coal-industry.
You are kidding, right?
As to the OP…meh.
-XT
Why, did Dahmer only eat white chicks or something?
I thought he had a few Asian vics, maybe I’m remembering wrong.
Well, maybe a little. But mountain-top removal is right up there with the worst continuing environmental disasters in the world.
The truth is, we can have a politics that is less awful. It is a change that will happen in degrees. Part of why I like Obama is that I think he’s run a marginally cleaner campaign than Kerry, and certainly than McCain or Bush. But we don’t achieve that by cynically rejecting all politicians as liars. Or by laughing at those who would try to call politicians on their lies. We get there by calling both sides out–especially our own–when they lie or overstretch.
I can picture you, 40 years ago, saying that getting angry at exploiting race for political gain is like getting angry about the sun rising. So we should just let it go. Have we eliminated racism in politics? Of course not. Has it gotten better? Of course. Things change. And change happens, in part, by discussion, by discourse. That’s democracy.
A little less cynicism, and a little more hope, would go a long way.
BTW, this whole Obama-will-bankrupt-the-coal-industry meme is based on a hoax.
So it’s a “hoax” because it claims that the it’s based on “hidden tapes”, and they were not hidden? :rolleyes:
More breaking news! **magellan01 **still has his objectivity radar broken!
(Posted on GD also: )
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/03/MNTL13SU6S.DTL
So he is saying that if they do manage to limit greenhouse emissions then that will be fine.
To me it is clear that that position is not different from McCain, as McCain mentioned in his site: “we need to commit significant federal resources to the science, research and development that advance this critical technology. Once commercialized, the U.S. can then export these technologies to countries like China that are committed to using their coal - creating new American jobs and allowing the U.S. to play a greater role in the international green economy.”
In other words, as he is supporting also a Cap-And-Trade System this means Coal has a problem if no new technologies appear under both Obama and McCain. It seems to me then that that was the reason the newspaper did not focus on those remarks, but it is insulting to ones intelligence to say this was hidden or it was not known.