And I told him to stop making those comments a couple of posts ago.
Nice try, but I’m not buying it. As I said, those kinds of comments don’t belong in this conversation, so I’m sure both of you can stop now.
I’m not trying to decide, so spare me.
No I don’t.
Disrespectful, yes. An “attack,” no. I don’t attack organized religion and often defend it from assertions that it causes all the evils in the world. I am very much a supporter of free belief and practice. That doesn’t mean I have to think it’s rational, though, nor am I persecuting or “attacking” anyone if I don’t.
Neither one of us really knows what we would have done, do we?
What if I decided to start being observant? Would that make me a Jew? There are a lot of unobservant Jews, though, so is it as simple as me just deciding to identify as a Jew?
You shouldn’t be so presumptuous about either side.
The Zionists who founded Israel were mostly atheists and the founders of the PLO came from multiple religious backgrounds and never made any such claims.
You seem to be making your own assumptions about both sides based on your own experiences with Christian extremists in the US.
Considering that the most extreme religious party that makes up a sizable percentage of the Knesset(Yisrael Beitenyu) is overwhelmingly secular and many of the most bloodthirsty Palestinian guerillas aren’t even secular Muslims, that makes little sense.
Leylah Khaled was motivated by many things, but not a belief in God and she certainly didn’t care about the Quran.
What would I have to lie about. The right of return explicitly applies to people with Jewish fathers, and I’ve never converted to any other religion, so why would I not qualify?
At the time I was typing up the post you hadn’t.
I don’t know why you’re asking me what makes a Jew a Jew. I can give you the Torah version, the Israeli version, the Orthodox version, the Reform version…what?
Are you asking me why I don’t personally consider you to be Jewish? I think I answered that.
Not that it’s in any way relevant to the conversation.
Back to the topic: A one state solution is not a solution. It either means that Israel ceases to be a democracy or Jews in Israel face Holocaust Round 2.
Because of this caveat:
Your anti-Zionist, one state solution position disqualifies you from citizenship.
She would know better than I do, but I’m pretty sure they ask you if you consider yourself Jewish so if you don’t, then you’d have to lie.
Once more, I think it’s silly to use the Law of Return to determine who is and isn’t a Jew.
The only reason you were able to give is that I don’t identify as Jewish. If I did decide to identify as Jewish, would you personally accept me as Jewish? If not, why not?
So if I really did decide to sincerely identify as Jewish, I would be Jewish?
By the way, you don’t have to identify as religiously Jewish to identify as Jewish.
What a crock of shit.
I’m not an anti-Zionist anyway.
In my opinion, yes, If you genuinely consider yourself a Jew then you are one.
Similarly if Mormons consider themselves Christian, then as far as I’m concerned they are even if many if not most Christians would disagree.
Do you know what a Zionist is?
You proclaimed you objected to the idea of the creation of a Jewish state.
Have you changed your mind?
If so, why?
I accept it as a fait accompli now. I can also say I think much of the United States was stolen, but that doesn’t mean I’m anti-American.
Why do you love Israel so much anyway? I though you claimed to be a Muslim?
Exactly. No one uses the Law of Return to determine who is an who isn’t a Jew. Even the Reform have restrictions.
“Identify as Jewish” could mean a lot of things. You seem to think that you’re racially Jewish…whatever that means.
Considering your lack of Jewish mother and (apparent) lack of Jewish upbringing and your rejection of Judaism, I’m not going to think of you as Jewish based on your “biological link” to Judaism.
but that’s me. and that’s the majority of jews.
Yes, Dio, I have corrected many people on that issue, including you.
You understand that your swearing and beating down my comments as worthless doesn’t actually help your argument, right?
So you support the existence of a Jewish state? 
Of course not. I guaran-freaking-tee that if you were honest, your request would be denied. And rightfully so.
Awesome use of far-right tactics!
Omg, why do you love _________ so much?
Instead of Republicans asking Obama why he loves terrorists so much, you just changed a few words around.
I don’t think Ibn is a lover of Israel. More like a person who has little tolerance for bad history and poor analysis.
I’m still chuckling at this. Using Israel as an insult. Israel-lover…isn’t that a euphemism now?
None that would apply to me.
You’re being really evasive here, and I’ve never used the phrase “racially Jewish.” I wish you’;d quit making up shit I never said.
and (apparent) lack of Jewish upbringing and your rejection of Judaism, I’m not going to think of you as Jewish based on your “biological link” to Judaism.
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That’s not what I asked you. I asked if I would be Jewish if I decided to start sincerely identifying as Jewish. Who the hell are you to tell me I’m not?
You haven’t corrected ME on it. I’ve never thought it and never said it. You seem to live in a parallel universe where you constantly read posts I’ve never made. It’s really, REALLY tedious to try to have a discussion with someone who constantly makes up things I’ve never said. Please stop it.
You didn’t make an argument. You were grasping at straws.
I support the continued existence of the state of Israel. That’s not a lie.
I don’t and I am.
You really need to learn better debating tactics.
The ones you use make you look rather immature.
It wasn’t a debate tactic, just idle curiosity.