You mean, like this? 
Hey, that sounds like some of the bad arguments that were debunked earlier in this thread!
Guess it depends on what your definition of ‘critically’ is.
I never knew “controversial” and “anti-US” meant the exact same thing. Goodness.
Fortunately, some people are still able to approach these subjects intelligently and honestly. Unfortunately, your cite wasn’t one of them.
Wait, how is that a different story? He’s saying exactly the same thing both before and after the release of Wright’s tapes.
I think “critically” means “I liked how they hamfistedly dragged in a completely separate issue, the Rezko thing, even if they couldn’t respond coherently to the matter at hand. It was the most damning thing I could find after googling the hell out of it.”
It’s not a different story. It’s Rush-twisting bullshit. The conservatives will continue to throw fodder up unitl November. I’ll tell you one thing, If Obama cinches the presidency, he will truly be a historical president.
I think that Obama does have some vulnerabilities on Wright and on Rezco. But honestly, speaking relatively to your typical person running for president, it’s pretty thin gruel.
If this is all they got, they’ll need to make more. Especially now that it seems that his style will be to confront these issues directly. A lesson learned from Kerry and Gore, and we’ll see how a different technique plays out.
You know this is a very good point, one made today on NPR. At least his most staunch critics even say that Obama confronts the problem from right in front of you, not from around the corner. Standing toe to toe. Even if you don’t like that he spent 20 years in trinity church, even a fool can tell Obama shoots from the hip - as much as a politician can - and that he takes thing head on.
That’s who I want answering the frigg’in phone at 3am!
I’m happy Obama stood up and was heard!
What a mealy-mouthed lying sack of shit the author of this piece is.
Then write him a little note.
You guys are kidding yourselves if you think the reaction to Obama’s speech will be universally positive. There will be other reactions - like this piece. And they’ll get read as well.
This board has a disturbing tendency at times of turning into an echo chamber - and that is especially true on the subject of Barack Obama.
Yes, all the people who said that reactions will be universally positive are entirely wrong.
Oh wait, that was only you.
While I don’t think everyone should be worshiping at the feet of Mr. Obama, it does seem that applying critical thinking to the criticisms of this speech and this situation makes those criticisms crumble.
“He chose a man with controversial opinions as his mentor!” But he does not – and has repeatedly stated – he does not agree with them.
“But he said he’d never heard them!” No, he never said he had never heard anything controversial, he said he’d never heard anything specifically anti-US. This is not even like trying to define what “is” is. I’ve heard my own father and my own preacher say controversial things – Dad thinks there should be mandatory government service in the US, my preacher thinks homosexuals should be included wholeheartedly in our church – but neither of them preaches against the US, and I’d be stunned if either of them did.
“I bet he’s lying!” I bet you have no proof of that.
Mr. Moto, I know you’re capable of critical thinking. You’re a smart guy. I’m assuming you are just making the argument that people are going to make arguments against Obama, right? That not everyone loves him and not everyone is convinced? We know that. Regardless of the relative spuriousness* of their arguments, people will make them. People will argue that the earth is flat, too.
*I decided not to look up whether this is a word. It should be.
See, but they’re both “divisive”. Just like how a splinter in my fingertip and a metal spike through my scrotum are both “painful”.
This shows what a lot of us knew but couldn’t point to. The speech has not hurt Obama, it is in fact showing signs of bringing him back up to where it’s highly likely he will cinch the nomination and with time do quite well against McCain.
I think it’s fair to say the positives of that speech far out weigh the negatives…
Of course we don’t think the reaction will be universally positive. I just think the ones who piss on it are the ones who are unmoveable and uncritical anyway. Of course he’s not going to reach the dittoheads and the Freepers or the Fox News watchers, but I think he stopped the bleeding with the independents and moderates who might have been suckered by this (probably Rove-led – he’s working for McCain now and McCain’s campaign was reportedly the entity that steered the networks and Fox to those DVD’s. Classic Rove. Turn the post-racial “hope” candidate into a racist. What vicious piece of shit that guy is) lynching-by-proxy. Nobody with any sense at all is going to believe Obama is a racist. The Wright story is only fodder for the right wing echo chamber now.
Well, lefty bias, of course. It why we are immune to your astute analysis and keenly perceptive reasoning. We thank you for pointing this out. Again.
The worst part is that with that black preacher sing song shit the echoes are damaging the walls.
Exactly !