Yeah, that is true though. Ferraro made a Jackson comment back then and now the Obama comment, and she’s deep down a racist. (I guess Jackson’s Hymietown comment doesn’t count as being enough to put him in a similar camp).
I guess I was wrong – **Shayna **is being inconsistent after all. My apologies. 
Yeah, I have to agree. In more than one sense, including insofar as being articulate, he’s literally the anti-Bush. I think that explains a lot of his appeal as well and is why I said earlier that in a perverse way he’s got Bush to thank for part of his pop.
Oh, you want to figure the Clinton campaign into your hypothetical question?
You asked me me who I’d vote for if Obama got the nod. Between McCain and Obama, I’d consider McCain is what I said. The competence of the Clinton campaign would be moot at that point if Obama gets the nod.
Yeah, sorry…didn’t read that as correctly as I thought I did…
But okay, if you want to switch questions and ask me about the competence of the Clinton campaign in this election, I’d say this: Obama’s campaign is run by lots of the Clinton folks from Bill’s elections, HRC’s campaign via Doyle tried hard to distance themselves from Bill’s advise until very recently and that was stupid, and I do agree with Harold Ickes that HRC is better than her campaign and has been ill-served by them. In fairness, I think it’s a tough call as to what to do with a rising star – if you attack them early (when he was at 17%) you risk drawing attention to them, but if you wait then it can be too late. Bill apparently advised going after Obama way back when he was at 17% and it looks like he was right. But seeing as how Doyle and others had already decided to ignore Bill, they went with a ‘queen’ shock and awe campaign of presumptive nominee and it wasn’t the right play. In fact, one Clinton vet suggested she skip Iowa altogether cuz that never seems to go their way like it didn’t last time.
So yes, I’d agree they made lots and lots of mistakes. And I think it’s fair to take that into consideration as to how she would run the country, but it’s offset in my mind by all the other considerations at play and Obama’s campaign being run well (by Clinton folks) doesn’t make me feel Obama is qualified to be president although I will give him credit for his leadership of a tight ship although I think trying to run as ‘above it all’ has come back to bite him in the ass and hamstrung him in Wisconsin and Ohio where he only got a 2 delegate advantage and lost, respectively.
I’m also someone that does believe that a lot of Obama’s support has come from a hysteria over shallow, pop culture elements of his being a novelty act with a funny name, sizzling smile, and other such bullshit as repeatedly pointed out and made fun of in editorials and comics (I recall one that captured it perfectly of Obama as Elvis with girls swooning – and there have literally been reports of folks passing out – while Obama Elvis is on stage and Hillary is there in the corner by the stage with a sour look on her face saying “But he doesn’t know anything!” and this ponytailed girl next to Hillary hears her say that and responds, “Oh, so you’re an Obama supporter toooo?” LOL That captured it).
I recall someone saying on a post on CNN, if Hillary can’t manage her husband and keep him from having affairs, how the hell can she manage the country? But I think some comparisons, like that one, are just silly. Managing a campaign is a bit more relevant, but still not a major deciding factor in who I think would make the best POTUS at a time like this. I find Obama to be riding to a great degree on the shoulders of others and just trying not to do or say anything stupid and sort of coast into the White House. In that specific regard – and in that regard only for the most part – he reminds me of Bush.
I can’t take another 8 years of an empty suit whose gravitas is owned by others.
:dubious:
And yet you agree that you’d rather vote for McCain, who has been an asskissing lackey of the Cheney Administration and its corporate overlords since about 2004 (the same Cheney Administration that pushpolled South Carolina about McCain’s “black baby”, the Bangladeshi girl he and his wife adopted), instead of Obama, who has come up from the lowest levels of political activism, has taught Constitutional Law, and has been involved in his constituent’s lives and neighborhoods since before they were his constituents?
I’ll gladly give McCain every ounce of the admiration and gratitude he deserves for having been a genuine military hero and having undergone horrific torture at the hands of the enemy, but that does not include giving him a free pass for lifelong “stature” when he’s basically repudiated everything he stood for before 2004 for political gain in the run-up to this election. He’s kissed up to the Bush/Cheney axis, he’s kissed up to the religious right, he personally went back on his commitment to campaign finance reform when it became inconvenient for his presidential run. Every. Single. Thing. That McCain stood for has been shown to be so much chaff before the winds of his ambition.
As much as I dislike the campaign that Clinton’s run, as much as I despise what her surrogates have been doing, I am going to vote for her if she turns out to be the nominee. Even if she steals it. I don’t expect my vote to end up being for the winner of the election, but I’ll still cast it for her. Because McCain has actually proven himself to be an empty suit.
** State Department: Someone snooped in Obama’s passport file**
Looks like the Bushies have been digging for dirt on Obama. It’s really ironic – and karma – that after all these years of Hillary hating, “stop Hillary,” “ABC, Anybody But Clinton”, the right now finds Hillary to be their only firewall to assure that Obama won’t become POTUS. LOL
Good points. What I mean by an empty suit is someone who lacks gravitas and relevant experience. I feel McCain has more than Obama. And ageist or not, the very fact that he’s lived longer commands some respect from me as well.
Nice chatting jayjay, gotta go for a late night jog now…maybe I’ll stumble into Obama’s passport. 
Wow. Mind if I pry into your private life enough to inquire as to the state you live in, 9thFloor?
For my money,( I still want odds at 50 to 1) its New York. They’ve already had their primary so we really don’t have to spend too much time on the 9thFoor .
Pry away. Georgia.
Well, in the first major poll right after the speech, here’s the results: Obama’s numbers vis a vis HRC have gone down and HRC has recaptured her lead over Obama nationally for the first time since FEBRUARY.
She’s back on top of the national polls.
"Obama has held a numerical lead over Clinton for most of that time, and started to decline in the tracking poll late last week — a sign the uproar over his former pastor’s sermon’s may be taking its toll.
The latest tracking poll was conducted March 14-18, almost entirely before Obama gave a widely praised speech on his relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and race relations in America.
But according to Gallup’s Jeff Jones, “the initial indications are that the speech has not halted Clinton’s gaining momentum as she led by a similar margin in Tuesday night’s polling as compared to Monday night’s polling.”
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/20/poll-clinton-takes-national-lead-over-obama/
He’s already recovering pretty well and will continue to do so. The Wright story is over and Obama’s apprearances on talk shows and stuff are really his own best weapon against the smear jobs. I’m optimistic enough to believe that the country a a whole is not racist or stupid enough to fall for any of that crap long term.
The national polls between Hillary and Obama are meaningless, by the way. The nomination isn’t going to be decided by a national referendum. It’s basically already been decided.
The national polls are meaningless? Okay.
I believe they’ll be used as part of HRC’s argument to superdelegates, that can switch this whole thing around if they’re not intimidated, as Dick Morris suggested, by the idea of the fallout from not giving it to the black candidate. I’m fascinated to see if they’ll feel race bullied into doing that to hold the party together even though he won’t have won the requisite number of delegates to have earned it and they aren’t bound to vote for the one with the most.
I believe your optimism about the country as a whole is misplaced, of course. Just one floor’s view.
Understandable, when your heroin glazed view is from the 9th floor 
Funny 
And you know what’s even sadder? After reading that review, I’m buying it! It actually looks really intriguing.
Here’s hoping you lose your next bet (on Obama) the way you lost your 50-1 bet that I’m in NYC! 