Obama opposes Plame appeal

FTW?
“We are deeply disappointed that the Obama administration has failed to recognize the grievous harm top Bush White House officials inflicted on Joe and Valerie Wilson,” said Melanie Sloan, one of the couple’s attorneys…The government’s position cannot be reconciled with President Obama’s oft-stated commitment to once again make government officials accountable for their actions."

I’m truly disappointed in this guy.

As much as I sympathisize with the Wilson’s at every point of this debacle, I have no idea if the legal facts as laid out in WaTimes represent the truth of the matter. For all I know, the Justice Dept may be entirely in the right, and some important principle is at stake.

That said, however much I may be trusting of Prez, I have had quite enough of a Justice Department as a wholly enslaved subsidiary of the Presidency. I hope you can appreciate the thunderous understatement in the words “quite enough”.

It would be nice if he would say so, rather than giving royal declarations like you-know-who.

Your cite offers no information on any declarations from Obama whatsoever, regal or otherwise. In fact, there is nno mention of Obama at all, save for the following rather sparse mention…

Your comment implies information you have not shared.

Google search.

Golly, you reckon his minions are just doing this on their own? :slight_smile:

Be a good idea to get all your innuendos in a row. You start out with this being all Obama, then your cite does not support that. You then throw some Google dust at me, and suggest a slightly different scenario, apparently based on your telepathic powers.

I do not know if Obama personally agrees with this. Neither do you. Or, it may well be that Obama thinks the letter of the law supports the Justice decision, however much he might want it otherwise. Or, he might disagree strongly, but regard it, as I do, far more important to have an independent Justice Dept., and choose not to interfere.

I don’t know. And neither do you.

Perhaps someone smarter than you or I will enlighten us. :slight_smile:

What the double fuck?
I don’t even know what to say. This is bullshit.
Yeah, I said it.

I have had very little experience of awe. But perhaps.

Gods! I bet Bush is laughing his ass off.

-XT

Huckleberry Hound is on TV in Dallas?

Indeed. So much for the “change.” Funny all those folks who raked Bush, Cheney, and Rove over the coals for the whole Valerie Plame debacle are so strangely silent now. Not one word out of Eleanor Clift over it, almost as if she were a proven disingenuous partisan hack hypocrite.

I can’t tell if people are dissing me or agreeing with me.
That must be why Mama doesn’t let me post in the pit. :slight_smile:

Yeah…and he’s doing the Washington two step…

-XT

So, there’s something going on about this that should mean that Obama people should be, like, rending their garments and crying aloud? Or what?

I think a good start would be to ensure that in the future, people are not compromised or forced into an untenable position for reports that the sitting president doesn’t like or doesn’t want to hear. That’s at the root of the problem. Wilson and Plame were put into a “situation” because the White House didn’t want to hear what they were saying. It didn’t match up to their “Enemies are coming to get us” line that they pushing so hard. It was done for political reasons. It might have been a simple matter to read or scan the report and then file it away to be forgotten, but that wasn’t good enough.

If you want good intel, good data, and reports that are useful in any way, you have to get away from “kill the messenger”. That only means future reports will be your personal echo chamber, telling you what you want to hear - worthless.

You don’t “out” intelligence people for telling you what they observed or suspect. I’m not aying all intel info is any good, but doing what was done, only makes sure none of the intel will be worth a damn in the future. I’d say a good start would be to re-hire both Wilson and Plame (if they even want to come back) at the same pay grade and step they had before, and keep them in country (since they’ve been made useless for any undercover work).

IIUC the main reason for the previous dismissals was that the laws only allow for a lawsuit of this kind to be directed to an institution, individuals can not be targets.

I can understand why the DOJ would oppose that, I do not approve it, but it is the law then that needs to be changed.

No, just slowly dying from a death of a thousand cuts. This is just the latest in a stream of minor disappointments, at least to this Obama voter. While he has avoided the catastrophic idiocy and intentional obfuscations of his predecessor, he also set the bar for himself rather high. So far, I’m disappointed. Whether it is his massive spending, his refusal to prosecute members of the prior administration, delays in dealing with Guantanamo, lack of sunshine provisions, and now Plame, Obama has not been living up to the hype, nor the reasons I had such hope for his presidency.

Even if he believes the court ruled correctly in the case (I’m not so sure, but I haven’t looked at it in depth), Obama should settle the case for the government and give her and Joe a nice healthy chunk of change for what the administration did to them.

On one hand this pisses me off greatly. On the other hand I’m not sure Obama is involved in the decision. The link seems to say this was an action by the Justice Department. Making this a case of independent the Justice Department is from Obama. If Obama exercises a lot of control over the JD then this is all on him and he’s being a rat bastard. If not then someone in the JD is a rat bastard.

Some one clearly is a rat bastard though, and that rat bastard needs to be sniffed out.

I hope the Supreme Court hears it anyway.

Whose fault is that, really? :dubious: