Obama - the lowest spending POTUS since Coolidge

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I don’t know what you were expecting Obama to do… The budget doesn’t authorize spending. Bush submitted a ~$3.1T budget in for FY09 and the truth is, Obama gets blamed for it because he was in office in FY09 and signed the spending bills. That’s why when most pundits say “Spending UNDER Obama has risen x%” (where x% includes FY09 spending), while technically true, it is a bit misleading.
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The only misleading part is that the President has only a tangential impact on the budget…Congress is the ones who control the purse strings. However, spending has increased since 2009, so if you are going to blame the President for increases then he’d be to blame for them. I linked to a spending cite earlier if you want to go look for yourself.

-XT

Sorry to see your hopes dashed. (((crickets)))

Here’s an example. For the first 19 years of your marriage, your wife spends $100 per month on clothing. In the 20th year, she spends $200 per month. In the 21st year, she spends $5000 per month on clothing. In the 22nd year, she spends $5010 per month on clothing.

When you tell her that her clothing expenditures are getting out of hand, is it legitimate for her to prove her fiscal responsibility by saying that her clothing budget only increased by a mere 0.2% when previously it increased by 100% and 5000%?

This is why you can manipulate numbers to say anything. Obama the lowest spending President since Coolidge? The premise is laughable, but some statistician somewhere found a way!

Which is what you have done. The numbers you have invented out of whole cloth are gross distortions of what is actually being debated here.

Out of curiosity, how much significance should be attached to “Obama signed it” ? Did Bush43 sign a 2001 budget that was mostly a Clinton product? Did Clinton sign a 1993 budget that was mostly a Bush41 product? I don’t know.

What happens if a president doesn’t sign a budget prepared by his predecessor? Government shutdown? Does he have to veto it? If he doesn’t sign it for ten days, does it go into effect anyway?

Continuing resolution

It’s a law like any other. The exact same procedures apply. If an act providing for the budget of the United States isn’t enacted, the government shuts down. ETA: I should say the budget is typically several laws, not just one.

A continuing resolution is a law, meaning that if a president refused to sign it, it could be subject to a pocket veto. In which case the government would shut down.

Bush did not submit a 2009 budget. Actually Clinton and Bush 41 did not submit budgets for the transition year either. There was a rule change in 1990 that allows the outgoing Prez to leave the budget submission to the incoming Prez. Before then, the outgoing Prez had to submit a budget and the incoming Prez could submit revisions. See this document for an overview. (Warning PDF)

You are off by a year. Bush did indeed submit a 2009 budget in February 2008. He did not submit a 2010 budget before leaving office in January 2009.

:smack: I didn’t see those numbers in paretheses. I stand corrected.

Do you do this before or after you tell her to fetch your slippers and pipe and get
dinner on the table?

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Well, do you still find my argument incoherent or have you realized how ridiculous this argument is? I assume you now realize the article was BS or you have just lost interest in your own thread.

Completely dishonest source to cite… including state and local is poppycock. You do realize that most states in this country have a balanced budget amendment… as in the vast majority… when revenues went down… they have little choice… cut spending or raise taxes… very few went with the raising taxes route during a recession.

PolitiFact rates Obama’s low-spending claim “Mostly True.”

Reread posts 32 and 36. Yes, it is technically true that the year-to-year increase is the lowest in some time. This is due to the HUGE increase in 2009 from one-time spending.

Here’s an easy way to explain it. Let’s say we spent 100 Trillion in 2009 to save the economy. The next year we spend exactly 100 trillion for an increase of 0.0%. Sure, the rate has not increased at all. There was an artificial spike in spending in 2009 and we are still spending at that inflated amount or slightly higher even though we are not funding all that one-time spending anymore. Make sense?

PolitiFact takes that into account:

The point remains the same. Regardless of who authorized all the one time spending it was exactly that…one time spending. Even in Bush authorized the Obama stimulus the point would be the same. It was supposed to be one-time spending. Continuing to spend at that same level is, technically, not increasing the spending level but that is neither here nor there. That one-time spending should not have been included in prior year spending and the total spent should have decreased from 2009 levels. The artificial spike in spending should have returned to normal the following year but it did not.

The point remains the same: Even allowing for that, Obama is a low-spending POTUS. Too low-spending for the country’s good, but politics is the art of the possible, and the Pubs control the House. And why should that “artificial spike” have been “returned to normal the following year” anyway? The economy would be much better now if the USG had followed Paul Krugman’s advice and spent a whole lot more.

You’re making my point for me. Just because you feel that the one-time spending should be continued does not change the fact that it was, indeed, one-time spending. Operating the government at those inflated levels and claiming that Obama has not increased spending is disingenuous at best.

Politifact is only taking into account the fact that spending increased only slightly from 2009 levels without mentioning that the 2009 increase should not have become the new budget baseline. This is what I was attempting to explain in post 55

:rolleyes: Read for comprehension, for Og’s sake!

That makes Obama a low-spending POTUS.