Er… Your reading comprehension skills are lacking. What I linked to was a report by the JPAC in their official journal.
So yes, a report in their official publication would count as their official position.
http://www.jcpa.org/brief/brief004-19.htm
Er… in post 144 you proclaim:
Umm, so any quote from any third party in the official journal of JPAC counts as their official position?
Percentage of births is not the same thing as fertility rate. But anyway, here is a web page from the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics:
http://www.cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/templ_shnaton_e.html?num_tab=st03_02&CYear=2011
Note that Arab births went from 39,385 per year in 1999 to 40,750 in 2010.
Meanwhile Jewish and other births (which is primarily Jews) went from 92,571 in 1990 to 125,000 in 2010.
But perhaps you think that “Jewish and other” is hiding something? Then have a look at this:
http://www.cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/templ_shnaton_e.html?num_tab=st03_01&CYear=2011
As you can see, Jewish births rose steadily from 36,000 in 1950 to 120,000 in 2010.
Muslim births went from 6,000 in 1955 to 36,000 in 2010.
Christian births went from 2500 in 1955 to 2500 in 2010.
Druze births went from 800 in 1955 to 2500 in 2010.
So as you can see, a solid majority of approximately 75% of births in Israel are Jewish. Further, you can see that the Jewish percentage has been steadily rising as I said.
In other words, YOU ARE WRONG.
Er… You claimed:
Furthermore you responded to my asserting the indisputeable fact that Jewish fertility rates were lower than Arab Muslim ones by proclaiming:
You also began this idiotic derail on post 123 by moronically claiming that the 350,000 Jews on the West Bank could outgrow the 2.3 million Arabs “primarily due to high fertility rates.”
All of that makes it clear you’ve been contending that the Israeli Jews can realistically “outbreed” the Palestinians and are now trying to backtrack.
The Jewish birth rates in Israel are well below the Muslim ones and the Muslim birth rates in the territories are even higher.
Perhaps the most telling thing in Israel is that despite the massive wave of Russian immigrants in the 90s and early 2000s, the Arab percentage of Israel’s citizens has actually grown despite a complete absence of Muslim immigrants to Israel.
Were it not for the collapse of the Soviet Union the percentage of Israel citizens who are Arab would probably be well over 30% now instead of just over 20%.
The reason of course that the Arab percentage of the Israeli citizenry didn’t shrink due to the wave if Russian immigrants was because of their high birth rates.
The thing that scares Israelis is that as the RussiN wave of immigrants starts to slow, that the high birth rate amongst Muslim Arabs will allow them to grow dramatically, though realistically they’ll never outnumber Israeli Jews or even Sabras.
For the record, I think “the demographic bomb” is heavily overhyped, however that doesn’t take away from the fact that the Jewish percentage of Israel’s citizenry is smaller than it’s ever been since Israel’s founding and it will only get smaller due to a) Israeli Arabs having higher birth rates b) the inevitable decline of immigration to Israel and c) the emigration of Jews from Israel.
Yes, do you know what the phrase “in Jerusalem” means?
Seriously, please answer this question. It’s a very simple question.
Do you understand that “Jerusalem” does not mean the same thing as “Israel”?
Liar, your claim was about percentage of births not about fertility rates. (Actually you tried to pretend that the two things are the same, but your comment was in response to my comment about percentage of births.)
Let’s make this very simple:
Do you agree that most recently, approximately 75% of births in Israel have been Jewish births?
A simple yes or no will do.
Do you agree that in recent years, this percentage has been steadily rising?
A simple yes or no will do.
Do you agree that if 75% of births in Israel have been Jewish births, it follows that there have been more Jewish births than Arab births?
A simple yes or no will do.
If current trends continue, it will happen.
I’m not trying to backtrack at all. If current trends continue, it will happen.
But those rates are not fixed. Muslim rates are dropping and Jewish rates are rising. I’m not sure why you are having such a hard time wrapping your mind around this fact.
Anyway, I really would like answers to my questions:
Extremely simple yes or no question.
Extremely simple yes or no question.
Extremely simple yes or no question.
Extremely simple yes or no question.
And one other question:
Does any third party quote in a JPAC journal count as the “official position” of JPAC?
Extremely simple yes or no question.
That depends on what you view as a favorable outcome for Israel. Majority ethnicity’s a silly idea, for one.
Ok, please provide a cite from a reliable source that Arab Muslims living in Jerusalem have lower fertility rates than Jewish Jerusalemites.
Also show me a cite demonstrating that the fertility rates of Muslims living on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip(as opposed to Muslims in Israel) are “plummeting”.
Furthermore, if you’re now admitting that the fertility rates of Jewish Israelis are dramatically lower than Muslim Palestinians why did you moronically insist Jews in the West Bank could make up a majority of the West Bank “primarily due to their high fertility rates”?
It’s rather obvious that you know little about the s
situation. Have you even visited Israel or the Occupied Territories?
Sure, but first please answer my questions so that I can understand exactly where you disagree with me.
Extremely simple yes or no question.
Extremely simple yes or no question.
Extremely simple yes or no question.
Extremely simple yes or no question.
Extremely simple yes or no question.
Money in circulation buying things is a "job creator’.
You’re the one who made the assertion so once you show your source for your claim that Jews in Jerusalem have higher birth rates than Arabs I’ll be happy to answer.
Once you’ve made an assertion and people ask you to back it up you should back it up if you expect to get taken seriously.
Is this the right thread?
I asked you my questions first. So I think you are evading. However, I will answer this one question but if you continue to ignore or evade my questions after that, then we are done.
Cite:
http://www.cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/templ_shnaton_e.html?num_tab=st03_11x&CYear=2011
On the second page, the Total Fertility Rate for Jews in the Jerusalem District is 4.26.
The Total Fertility Rate for Arabs in the Jerusalem District is given as 3.84.
Ok, now please answer my questions:
Extremely simple yes or no question.
Extremely simple yes or no question.
Extremely simple yes or no question.
Extremely simple yes or no question.
Extremely simple yes or no question.
What is “a third party quote”?
Also, please explain why you so moronically insisted that Jews on the West Bank could outbreed Arabs on the West Bank?
Have you ever even visited Israel because you seem to know little about it?
Yeah, you’d better watch out Ibn. Brazilnut’s blood is up, you don’t want to risk him banning you.:eek:
Goodbye, liar.
Lol, too late.
Also, aren’t you aware that the Jewish percentage of Israel’s citizenry has been shrinking while the Arab percentage has been growing?
Furthermore, you provided no evidence for your claim that the fertility rates amongst Palestinians in the territories has “plummetted” to use your words.
Sorry, but we’re going to need the word of more than an ignorant westerner like yourself before taking your word over that of the Jerusalem Public Affairs Center.
Too late.
I was hoping he’d produce his sources for the supposed “plummeting” of Palestinian birth rates on the West Bank.
That said I did piss myself laughing when he ranted about how many more Jewish babies were born in present day Israel than Israel in 1950 and ignored how this was due to immigration.
Once he’s back on his meds he’ll be in better shape.