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Can we take it as established, by this point in the thread, that “Obama’s 50 Lies” are, in fact, lies by the writer of the e-mail?
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I discarded any any credibility the author had after just a cursory reading.
It’s inflammatory, dishonest, malicious BS written by someone{s} who I doubt has much real thoughtful concern about the nation.
[QUOTE=elucidator]
Pals and gals, you gotta see this! Under the heading “Best Bitch Slap Evah!” Go at once, do not hesitate!
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9609.html
Go! Now! At once!
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Holy Cow did I laugh. So simple! So good! Thanks for sharing.
[QUOTE=Sailboat]
Truly respectful people bother to learn protocol. Furthermore, if I am reading your meaning, you’d prefer to see the President follow non-saluting tradition – even if it doesn’t mean crap to him – out of respect, because it clearly matters to someone else (like the people who did bother to learn the protocol)…right?
Sailboat
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Did you read the posts following this one that continued the conversation? Are you saying every president following Reagen who saluted military men and women were being disrespectful because they didn’t bother to learn the protocol?
[QUOTE=tomndebb]
That’s OK. He does not believe a word you say, either. Certainly few people here do.
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ad hominem instead of answering the question? That’s nice. Anyway, why did he say Auschwitz, if he meant to say Buchenwald? It’s certainly not the same thing as Uncle vs. Great Uncle, or 57 states vs. 47 states. Or even the Quayle potatoe thing. Could it be, Obama was trying to make his story sound better? Kinda like Hill’s sniper fire in Bosnia? Hmm.
Wow. When you put it like that, it sounds almost trivial and unimportant.
Didja hear? Obama thinks he invented the internet.
Wait, is Obama’s uncle, I mean great uncle{sorry they are totally different} running for some office now? Has he been seen hanging out with reverend Wright?
Perhaps this youtube clip explains it.
I think the more they try to turn ridiculous non issues into issues the more backlash they will get from voters who are sick to freakin death of this kind of crap.
[QUOTE=Carol Stream]
Anyway, why did he say Auschwitz, if he meant to say Buchenwald?
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No one knows for sure but him. However, I have no real problem believing that he was either given a confused version of family history as a youth or else confused it himself growing up. He didn’t mean say Buchenwald in that it wasn’t a slip of the tongue and came out “Auschwitz” instead but rather he (I assume) just had his family lore wrong. I doubt most people can name a concentration camp besides Auschwitz so “Uncle Charlie liberated a concentration camp” can easily become “…was at Auschwitz”.
I suppose if Obama spent two weeks repeating and defending the story, I might care more. Instead, he gave the story during a Q&A and, when called on it, his campaign said “Oops… shit” and gave a corrected version which doesn’t meaningfully differ at all from the original.
[QUOTE=Carol Stream]
Anyway, why did he say Auschwitz, if he meant to say Buchenwald?
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Oh, they’re just variant names for the same place. You know, like Holland and the Netherlands, or China and Japan.
Or Texas and Hell.
Great. Since they can’t Swiftboat Obama, they’ll try Swiftboating his family, instead.
Pathetic.
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton]
Oh, they’re just variant names for the same place. You know, like Holland and the Netherlands, or China and Japan.
Or Texas and Hell.
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As mentioned upstream, it’s Birkenau and Auschwitz that were part of the same concentration camp complex. (Or am I being whooshed?)
[QUOTE=42fish]
(Or am I being whooshed?)
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Whooshed, I believe.
[QUOTE=42fish]
As mentioned upstream, it’s Birkenau and Auschwitz that were part of the same concentration camp complex. (Or am I being whooshed?)
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You can’t expect Carol to know that. Rush Limbaugh and his posse said Obama lied. The story ends there.
-Joe
Silver lining time. You *know * that the Forces of Darkness have been combing over BHO’s life with a fine tooth comb, they’ve spent the money, they’ve hired the bloodhounds, and they’ve got D for diddly squat.
Now that was worrying me some, compared to Hillary, who’s got near on to twenty years of amatuer proctology applied to her. There’s nothing left to find, so that leaned in her favor. Not enough, but some.
But this says to me that they got nothin’, and I know they tried. So they are reduced to trying to make this shit important. Good. That’s reassuring.
One small note of concern with the Auschwitz/Buchenwald confusion. He loses a bit of an opportunity to bound with some of the older Jewish voters (see South Florida) with this one. It could have been a chance to show how that story made an impact on him and show that he understands some of the huge impact that history had in the lifetimes and mindsets of some of this demographic. He ends up instead illustrating that the story hadn’t really been all that much of interest to him, just a bit of extended family lore the details of which were really not so vital and that he hadn’t paid close attention to. For those who know the old joke: “… Iceberg, Greenberg … what’s the difference?”*
That said, my family lore includes the story that my father was one of the first American army troops at the gates of Dachau. My father allegedly came back from experience committed to doing his part to repopulate the Jewish people and that’s one of the reasons that I have 4 older sibs.
After hearing how Obama got his family lore confused I felt the need to make sure that it was indeed American troops that liberated that camp. It was. Thing is, that site also discusses how the “American GIs in a frenzy or horror, anger and guilt gun down some 122 captured German soldiers - most of them Waffen SS. Dozens of inmates break out of the prison enclosure and kill approximately 40 guards, some with their bare hands. Private John Lee of I Company later told newspapers that he was personally involved in at least 60 of the killings.” Dad never told me that part of the story. I have little doubt however that he was an active participant, and would be unsurprised to have found he just gave the name John Lee to reporters. (In fact he later used several pseudonymns as a salesman running his own business and a Mr. Lee, albeit not John Lee, was one of them.) He is long deceased now so I’ll never know his version of those events.
The point is that I’d have been upset to know that I had some of that history wrong and am sad that I do not have the opportunity to hear the rest of the story form my Dad. But the details of this history are unimportant to Obama. I still admire him. I still want him as President. But the detail that the details weren’t important to him will not be lost on some that he is trying to reach.
*For those who do not know the old joke, well it is not really a good one, but here it is:
A Jewish guy walks into his third bar of the night, and sees a Chinese guy having a drink. He goes up and slugs him. “What the hell was that for?” asks the Chinese guy. “Pearl Harbor,” replies the not completely sober Jewish guy. “That was the JAPanese, I’m CHInese! You idiot!” Yells out the Chinese guy. “Japanese, Chinese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, what’s the difference?” the Jewish guy answers. The Chinese guy gets up shakes his head, sits down and goes back to his drink. Then a minute later he gets up and slugs the Jewish guy. “That was for the Titanic!” he says. “The Titanic? That was sunk by an iceberg!” says the Jewish guy from the floor. Shrugging, the Chinese guy answers, “Iceberg, Greenberg … what’s the difference?”
Not a great joke, but it does illustrate how someone not knowing or caring about the differences is important if they are your differences. It won’t matter to most but he likely did lose some ground with the very group that story could have helped him connect to.