Obama's Debt: Unpaid in full

Just one week ago, President Barack Obama asked for 15 minutes of our time to talk about the debt ceiling “crisis.” I put that word in quotes because this crisis is entirely man-made. Unlike the earthquakes in Haiti or the hurricanes of Katrina, we have been in complete control over the events leading up to today’s deadline.

But this crisis is man-made in another regard: a simple vote to raise the debt ceiling would avert yesterday’s disaster. Yet that vote wasn’t easily gotten. Since 1962 the congress has raised the debt ceiling 74 times. That’s an average of 1.5 times every single year for 49 years. But in the third year of Obama’s term he needs to raise it for the first time and Republicans have refused. Reckless and unchecked government spending for almost three continuous decades have brought us to this point. But now, suddenly, this is the line in the sand for them. This is where they are willing to shut down our government, destroy our credit rating, raise our interest rates and cause a chain reaction that will affect every country’s economy in both large and small ways.

The President would be well within his rights to tell them no. No to any deals. Give me a clean bill to raise the debt ceiling -like has been done half a gross times before- or you will single handedly be responsible to the worst economic disaster the world’s economy has ever known.

Instead he chose to compromise. He walked down the halls of the East Room, stood behind a podium, and addressed the nation of talks underway. He said

The President was serious. The President was firm. The President was decisive. If there were to be negotiations, they must include raising taxes for those making $250,000 and above and increasing our revenue. He’s been asking for this since he was Senator Obama campaigning for the right to walk down the East Room and address us as President.

He ended his speech with a call for help from the American people.

The American people heard and the American people responded. Phone lines were jammed. Congressional websites crashed over the increase in traffic. People got out and protested. I let my Congressman, Emmanuel Cleaver, know. But since he shares my views on this issue the gesture was largely symbolic on my part.

Six days later a tentative deal was reached. It did not include a raise in taxes. When I first heard the news, I literally could not believe it. I felt as if Obama had stabbed me in the back. He asked the American people to make their voices heard and then he turned around and ignored it the first opportunity he had.

I have to ask, if even Obama wasn’t convinced by the sheer number of people in support of his plan, why did he expect any member of Congress to be influenced either? Why would he ask that of us if he wasn’t prepared to have our backs?

Oh sure, one could argue that the deal isn’t entirely bereft of the possibility of a tax increase. It creates a “bipartisan committee of Congress to report back by November with a proposal to further reduce the deficit, which will then be put before the entire Congress for an up or down vote.” Did the President even listen to his own speech?

Supposedly, Boehner couldn’t sell a tax increase to his party. The President’s response should have been “then I suggest you find a way to get your party in line.” Instead, he handed the Speaker a win at the expense of our long term economic stability.

I see this pattern again and again and again. The President attempts to compromise with a right that keeps moving further right the more he tries to compromise. He not only leaves the left, but the moderates and the centrist behind in his need to reach a deal. He sells out the ideals of his party in the hopes of appeasing a group of people to whom there is no appeasing. Because to many Republicans, this isn’t about what’s best for the country but what’s worst for Obama. The President refuses to learn this lesson despite being taught it repeatedly over the past two and a half years.

I, for one, am close to saying “enough.” I’m close to saying that I won’t vote for Obama in the next election. I know a number of people feel the same way.

When I say this out loud, I sometimes get a gasp from others. “But how could you not? Would you rather have a Republican win the election?” Until Sunday, I used to feel the same. If you don’t vote, you let the other side win. But, really, does it matter what President we have when no candidate is willing to stand up and support my ideals? When no one is willing to support me –not just in words but in actions- why should I take the time to support them?

Obama bargained away the health and welfare of the poorest and most needy in our country for nothing. He got nothing. We, as a country, got nothing.

So why should I support a President who doesn’t support me? Frankly, my time would be better used elsewhere. I’ll be spending my efforts, my money, my time and my sweat supporting local, state, and national candidates who I can count on to fight for me and my beliefs.

Last Monday the President asked for 15 minutes of our time. Then I saw what he did with it. Obama called on us for action and then let us twist in the wind. I do not have 15 further minutes for a man without the courage behind his convictions.

What should he have done instead?

Would that have been worse, or better, for the country?

Easy. Refused to play ball. Look, this is not Obama standing up against a tidal wave and shouting “no! Bad tidal wave! Don’t come on land!”
He’s talking to the very people who are causing the problem in the first place. He can solve this problem two ways

  1. Give in to their demands, selling out the American people in the process
  2. Slap them hard until they see stars and say “stop fucking around with our economy.”

He made his choice. Now I’ve made mine.

What’s worse is that both parties have abdicated responsibility to a bi-partisan “super committee” to which they will appoint the worst of the worst hardliners who will never agree on anything. And even if they manage to produce something remotely meaningful, it will be shouted down by the Tea Party ass clowns and turned into another fucking political logjam.

Excellent! I applaud your view, and hope it becomes more widely shared among those who voted for Obama in 2008.

Regards,
Shodan

Funny thing. I don’t regret my vote in 2008. Given both my knowledge at the time and the choices I had available, I’m completely satisfied having voted for Obama. 2012 may be another matter altogether.

What, exactly, does Choice #2 involve? I appreciate a good metaphor as much as the next guy, but I want to know what you literally have in mind by ‘slap them hard’.

I won’t vote for Obama in the primaries.
I do think that if it comes between a choice between Obama and Republican “X”, I’ll choose Obama.

So, if he had just been tougher, the Republicans would have caved?

You’ve got the idea that a tough President can go to Congress, and through sheer force of will get anything they like passed. Except, it turns out that under our Constitution the members of the House are independent from the President. And it turns out under our Constitution that all spending bills come from the House. And it turns out that in the 2010 election, the Republicans won a majority in the House.

So it is clearly the case that if the Republicans refuse to pass a bill that the President wants, there is absolutely nothing the President can do about it except urge people to vote against the Republicans in the next election in 2012.

So under choice number 2, you’re acting as though the Republicans would have no choice. Except they did have a choice. They could have refused to vote to raise the debt ceiling. You don’t think those assholes were capable of that? Of course they are. It is clearly the case that they’d rather see the United States default on it’s debt than to raise taxes on bankers and CEOs.

So what’s your reaction to this mess? You blame Obama. Except, who caused the problem? The Republican caucus. And so, rather than pledging to defeat those pricks in 2012, so we have a reasonable congress made up of reasonable people, you complain about Obama.

You’re a fucking asshole. Who told you that you were qualified to hold political opinions? Go back to your fucking hole and keep masturbating to pictures of Ralph Nader, you fucking fuck. You’re gonna sit home in 2012, or vote for Dennis Kucinich as a protest vote? Great plan there. Why not put up a Bachman/Palin 2012 sign on your front lawn instead?

You wanna know how to solve this problem? Get the Democrats a majority in the house in 2012. Get the fuck out there and get the fuck to work. Or, sit home and cry about how the country is going to hell. Your choice, you fucking asshole.

I agree with everything you’ve said here, but I think it’s shitty to pin this on Obama. If he’d gone fully hard line, the Republicans absolutely would have let the country default, confident that they could spin it as being all his fault and thus win more elections down the road on the fiction of his financial incompetence. “He let the country default all because he loved raising taxes so much!” Frankly, I’d rather have a leader who, at the end of the day, puts the country ahead of his political standing.

As long as the Republicans are able to continue to create the bogeyman narratives about Hillary/Pelosi/Obama/whoever being seconds away from stealing your guns and raising your taxes, they can do whatever they want and keep getting reelected. It gives them quite a lot of lattitude to act like irresponsible idiots.

I am so fucking sick of having to choose between “incompetent” and “evil” at the polls.

It’s interesting to note that, in the final, last minute, no chance of another go bill in the House far more Democrats voted against it than Republicans. How, exactly, does that make it Republicans who, in the final instance, were willing to let America default?

Nr. 2 is not a choice in real-life, given that he has to deal with one party that firmly believes that letting the government crash would be A Good Thing. In real life, you can’t slap them until they wake up to see reality; they are too deeply entrenched.

And I don’t see any evidence that he ignored the voices of America - do you know how many people called their Republican member in Congress and told them to stand firm against further debts and say no to tax cuts?

Remember that some 30% (IIRC) of your population voted for the Tea Party in the last election. It’s hard to imagine how much farther away from reality, acting like grown-ups, showing responsibility, etc. you can get.

So unless 95% of the country called every member of Congress and Senate - including the Tea Partiers - and told them “Stop fucking around, raise taxes for the rich” - then your voice was heard but didn’t make enough of a difference.

And from what I see and hear, I doubt that the 30% of crazies did tell their Congress/ Senate members that.

I’m not asking anyone to regret their past. 2008 is long since past. Like you, I am looking forward to 2012.

Obama’s only real difficulty is not that people who voted for him in 2008 will vote Republican. It’s that they might stay home and not vote at all. I’m not talking about the primaries, where for both sides the partisans tend to be over-represented. I mean the general election, when “hope and change” turns to “nothing he’s done seems to matter”.

It’s not a done deal, of course, and a lot depends on a lot. And the yellow dog Democrats who make up 80% of the SDMB will vote for Obama no matter what. He can count on that. I am talking about everyone else.

We’ll see, but the OP gives me hope.

Regards,
Shodan

Remember that Boehner, the speaker of the Republicans, has publically stated that his only goal is making sure that Obama will not be re-elected in 2012. That’s it. Nothing about responsibility to the country or its people.

So what options has Obama left? Give in or let the country crash.

Me too. I rest easy at night, knowing that President Bachmann will fix things right up.

I think the final calculation was the Repubs would have let the economy crash. He had to decide if that was a choice he could accept. He did not. But he did not come out swinging and say he caved to prevent the reckless Repubs from throwing the country and the world into financial chaos. He pretended that he got a good deal and he was behind it.
This deal will cost jobs and reduce revenue. It already is badly impacting the financial sector.
He will not call them out. He will not stand up to them in public.

Well, for starters, let’s look at the July 25th speech. I thought that the reason he made it was to tell Republicans -and the American people- that this was his line in the sand. In retrospect, I see I was mistaken. What he was doing was pleading with the American people to help him convince Republicans as a last ditch effort. We did this but the Republicans, shockingly, didn’t listen. So rather than Obama seeing this as a sign that so many people we behind him in this fight, he saw it as a reason to give up because, shrug, nothing will convince them to do the right thing. Basically, he passed the buck for this failure onto us for not trying hard enough.

This is a game of chicken. Boehner’s not stupid. Some people in the Republican party may be, but I don’t think Boehner is. He was playing a game. A game where he dangerously lost control of his own car for a bit, but a game nonetheless.

So how about for “slapping” Obama got up on July 25 and laid it all out to us. “The Republicans are screwing with the economy for no good reason. If they can’t give me a clean bill to sign like we’ve done a hundred times before, then our credit ratings as a country will decline. Your mortgage rates will skyrocket. Your government checks will stop coming. Our debts will be called in from China and other countries and we’ll be broke in a matter of months. This will be the worst economic disaster ever to befall the United States and it was created entirely by the Republicans. There is a really simple fix to this. I’m telling them to stop. I will not negotiate with economic terrorists.”

Yes, economic terrorists. Can you imagine the headlines?
I do not believe that term to be at all hyperbolic. And there’s absolutely no reason why they won’t try this again this November. And probably a couple of times in 2012 as well.

So Waldo Pepper, what would you have the President do?

Perrry/Bachmann, and I wake up screaming.

Of course it does. You’re one of the brainless simpletons for whom politics is nothing but a team sport. You have no principles, only a fool’s belief that you somehow benefit when your side has the reins, regardless of how they get them or what they do with them.