Trump is basically Reagan’s 2nd coming, even down to the stupid slogan.
I agree. It is suspicious and we should be skeptical about their motives.
But the method they’re recommending to “save” the Democratic Party is for the nominees to attack each other more.
On Pod Save America, one of the panelists was gassing on about how Bernie does so well in the trial heats and has universal name recognition. But the other said that most Americans do not know Bernie is a democratic socialist and that even 40% of Democrats don’t know this! :smack:
I guess that would be fine if it were still the case seven months from now, but somehow I don’t think that will hold true.
Wowww… This take is so spectacularly wrong I don’t even know where to begin. But maybe a good start is just to point out that there has never been a president remotely similar to Trump.
Lefties love to throw out this riposte, but it just doesn’t scan. Those were both in deep red states and both candidates came much closer to winning than Democrats normally do. It was just too steep a climb.
There is basically one Democrat in the whole country who is pretty left economically but does well in a tough state and that’s Sherrod Brown. Actually Tammy Baldwin might count as well. But they both have a pretty different approach from Bernie or AOC.
Wow, Reagan killed your friend, how. I don’t remember seeing anything like Reagan personally killing anyone.
2 presidents that came from the entertainment industry, both of whom found massive success by siphoning the white working class from Democrats. Both were considered radical, fringe and unelectable… until they won and remade the GOP in their images. Sounds pretty similar to me.
Trump is not special. He is just another in a long line of progressively more awful Republican presidents. The next president with an R next to his name will be worse than Trump, and so on and so forth.
Of course, W is still worse than Trump, because Trump hasn’t yet killed a million soldiers and Middle Easterners in trillion dollar wars of choice, or tanked the economy. There is still time for him to that top that ghoul I guess…
They didn’t came as close to winning as when they, you know, won their seats initially.
Sounds like we missed 2 solid candidates running for president then.
The Democrats are staring down the barrel of a Sanders nomination because the elites spent half a year propping up untested candidates who offered nothing but appeals to identity politics, and then spent the other half of the year propping up an old senile man who shouldn’t even be allowed to drive much less be president. Now they want to pivot to propping up a deeply unlikable billionaire who was a republican until 2015. They could not have found a better foil for Sanders. This is how tactically stupid the Democratic party is.
I wish Sanders, Biden & even Warren never ran. They are too old and the party & country needs a new direction and younger leaders. They took up all the oxygen based on name recognition alone, sucked up the bulk of enthusiasm, donations & support, and left solid candidates like Hickenlooper, Inslee, Booker & Yang with scraps.
But it happened and now Sanders will be the nominee. For whatever reason, he uniquely activates young voters, and seemingly Hispanic voters. That’s his path to winning, and it may be risky but it’s his one shot. It’s a completely visble path of it works. It’s time to complete the stages of grief and accept what is happening, and make the best of it.
You should be embarrassed trying to equate Trump and Reagan that way. Reagan didn’t just come from showbiz. He was head of the Screen Actors Guild and then governor of California. “Both considered fringe”? Laaame.
I’m not embarrassed, thanks. This habit of treating evil former republican presidents as more normal than they were, something Democrats always do when they hate the current evil Republican president so they can pretend there is some sort of striking sharp contrast to be found, is what’s embarrassing.
So much of this primary cycle reminds me of Trump in 2016. There was the initial freakout from the establishment, and now some elites are slowly starting to trickle in with tepid support. We will be seeing more vocal support soon as Sanders continues to hoover up delegates. It’s far more likely that we will see Obama give his seal of approval at a Bernie rally after Super Tuesday, and not “showing some guts to save the Republic.”
You need a new embarrassment meter.
I don’t see it. I feel Trump comes from the paranoid wing of conservatism like Nixon, Wallace, McCarthy, and Cheney; their basic message is “There are enemies who want to destroy you. Be afraid. Your only hope is to give us power so we can protect you.”
Reagan belonged to a different school of conservatism; the nostalgic wing. Their message is “Remember how good the past was? Not the real past; we’re talking about an idealized version of the past where you ignore all the bad things that were actually happening, mostly to other people. Give us power so we can restore that imaginary past that never existed.”
Seven days left. Has Obama saved the Republic yet? 
What it might be? Might be that Barry O. recognizes that he still retains enormous power to affect the outcome and is not that sure he knows what’s best. I share my opinion all the time, knowing that hardly anyone gives a rat’s pa-toot.
Might that not be different if I thought that voicing my opinion might affect hundreds of other people? Thousands, even?
I certainly agree Reagan was a bad President. I hold him primarily responsible for removing reality from Republican politics. Before Reagan, politicians used to feel that their political statements and actions had to have some connection to reality; you might fudge the facts but you were still working with the facts. Reagan threw that out. He just made stuff up and used that instead of facts. It was no longer a matter about what was true; it was about what was believable.
Trump’s moved beyond that. The things Trump says aren’t true. But they’re also not believable. Trump lies and everyone knows he’s lying; even his own followers know he’s lying.
I’ve decided Sanders will surely lose, and it’s taken a load off my mind. I can live my life and read the news in relative peace. The anxiety, and gripping worry should be gone. Four more years of Trump? Bad, but the Black Death in the Middle Ages was bad; World War II was bad. Maybe humanity will fight its way back from Trump and Putin a few centuries from now. Maybe I’ll open a Betfair account and make a few bucks.
I hope Bloomberg spends a billion turning the Senate blue. It’s much better to have a Trump WH with a blue Congress than a Democratic WH with a red Congress, I think.
Of course I’d be delighted if Sanders (or any Democrat) wins the WH, just as I’d be delighted if I win the Grand Prize when I buy lottery on a whim. But I’m not going to stew about it anymore.
Whatever you’re smoking, send some over here. Most likely won’t make a habit of it, but it would be nice to take a couple hours break ever once in a while.
Ronald Reagan coined the term “evil empire”. Did you forget that?
That’s long and boring; let’s shorten it to something catchy like, oh, I dunno, how about “Make America Great Again”?
Ronald Reagan was also a television personality allied to the hard right & corporations. That’s a similarity. Andrew Jackson was also a brute who despised the Constitution. (Trump may be more law-abiding than he was.)
Claire was an incumbent; her opponent beat her by accusing her of corruption & hammering on that alone. Missouri is fighting back against right-to-work. Rethink your stereotypes.
And you know this how, exactly? Are you privy to aspects about Bernie’s past that no one else is?
Btw, saying Reagan isn’t comparable to Trump isn’t suggesting that Reagan was a good president. It’s saying their approaches to politicking are too disparate to suggest a similarity. Yes, they both started out as entertainers before pivoting to politics. What else do they have in common? Reagan was a traditionalist with just shinier veneer that made him electable. Trump is anything but a traditionalist. They also became president in two completely different eras. You think Nixon would have been harmed by Watergate today? The man had to go into exile after resigning in disgrace. Today he would’ve been awarded a lucrative gig at FOX or CNN.
Do you seriously believe this was the primary factor in the Liberals’ bloodletting in the West? Not the rise and dissemination of alt-right propaganda in provinces that traditionally lean conservative? Not a cooked up scandal that portrayed a prominent Vancouver MP as the victim of her evil and corrupt boss who happens to be the leader of the LPC? Not the aforementioned leader pushing for the Trans Mountain pipeline that is also deeply unpopular in BC? Okay, then.