Obesity is now an illness.

People gain the weight back because most diets are too restrictive for anyone to follow for any length of time. A lot of people go overboard the first time to lose it fast. That’s where fighting ignorance comes in. People have to understand that you have to make small, simple choices. Your exercise should be in moderation.

But there are many people for whom this advice is too late. They can follow it, and there is a good possibility they will still be overweight because they’ve altered their bodies forever because of previous extreme attempts.

I’ll say it again: The reasons people are overweight are too varied and too complex for there to be a one-size-fits-all explanation OR solution. And overweight folks simply do not deserve the hateful way they are treated (NOT directed at Coldfire). And that statement, actually, is NOT coming from personal experience. I have never been mistreated because of my weight, at least not to my face. I just simply cannot understand why ordinary people would be so cruel to one another.

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Dancing all night would be GREAT excercise. :smiley:

Only as much as the singular of anecdote equals data, I can answer for myself.

I lost 45 pounds in 18 months, and had only about another 25 pounds to go. At first the pounds came off relatively easy, but the more I worked at it, the stubborner they were. Somewhere in the back of my mind I was starting to lose hope.

Then I had abdominal surgery. My surgeon told me not to exercise or lift anything over 5 pounds for 6 weeks. My dietician told me to ignore my surgeon. I weighed both options, and decided that 6 weeks of fat was better than torn sutures, internal bleeding, and death. In 6 weeks, I told myself, I’d get right back on the rowing machine.

It was right around that time that I met my girlfriend. And when something like that happens, it often heralds a change in habits. On our 2nd date, we went out for Italian food. On our third, Mexican. And you know what? I enjoyed it! It was so much tastier than fat-free crackers and hummus. So much more enjoyable than a dry bagel.

In the meantime, I was healing. But I didn’t fully heal in 6 weeks. I didn’t dare risk exercise while my abdomen was still in severe pain. It hurt to sit up. I can’t imagine what rowing must have felt like. In fact, it took me a good 6 months to heal to the point where I could work out again. By that time, a “sinful” snack every now and then had turned into more of a habit.

I promised myself I’d get back on the weightloss band wagon next week. That was five years ago.

No offense tdn, but your story completely proves my point. I’m not berating you over it, but it is what it is: understandably or not, you gave up, and reverted to your old habits.

Oh, absolutely. I have been accused of making excuses for others, but never once did I make any for myself. (Though if I had to do it all over again, I still wouldn’t have risked popping a suture during those 6 months.)

tdn also proves my point. Hummus and fat-free crackers is too restrictive. If he (I think he’s a he) hadn’t reverted at that time, he would have reverted at some other time, because a bland, fat-free diet cannot be sustained.

Absolutely. I gained maybe 15 pounds during 3 years of rehab after a serious leg injury, and it’s been a bitch to take them off. But in the grand scheme of things, that’s pretty minor, and I can now go out and bike 50 miles. Some people, however, allow medical issues to take over their lives entirely.

I had a friend/co-worker in her early 30s who developed severe rheumatoid arthritis in her 20s. I don’t know how much she weighed then, but last time I saw her, she probably weighed 350 pounds. She is a super-sweet person, and it was so frustrating for those of us who tried to be her friends to see her essentially killing herself through her poor lifestyle choices that we all gave up in frustration, and fell out of touch with her.

She eats nothing but crap – junk food, fried food, you name it. In the several years I saw her on a regular basis, and shared many a meal with her (both in the lunchroom at work and socially outside of work), I don’t think I ever saw her eat a vegetable or drink a plain glass of water. She has a really screwed-up relationship with food; she is obese, which puts a lot of strain on her already problematic joints, so it’s difficult for her to walk, let alone exercise, so she is depressed, so she eats, which makes it even more difficult for her to exercise – you get the picture. And she has a million excuses for the way she eats – “that’s what my mom cooks” (she had to move back in with her parents after she fell and broke a couple of vertebrae – her bones had been weakened by the steroids she takes for the rheumatoid arthritis) or “I don’t have the physical stamina to stand up long enough to cook healthy food” (when she was healthy enough to live by herself) or “the only food I can afford near work is fast food” (so then bring something from home, for chrissakes! The rest of us do) or “I can’t drink water at work because then I’ll have to use the bathroom, and it’s not handicapped accessible” (which was true, but hey, this was the year I spent on crutches and I managed it OK, even though there were steps up to the bathroom stalls because the building was an ancient semi-converted warehouse which was out of compliance with all sorts of building codes, but that’s another story).

When she fell and had major spinal surgery, we all saw this as her big chance to change her lifestyle and eating habits – the hospital sent her for a couple of months of inpatient rehab, which included frequent consultations with dieticians, exercise physiologists, etc. She actually started to lose some weight, because the rehab center was controlling her diet and her portions. We were all so excited – maybe she would get her act together, lose enough weight to take the load off her poor joints, and be functional again! But alas, once the rehab center released her to her parents’ house, she went back to eating crap (crap cooked by her mother, but crap nonetheless – I visited her there a couple of times, and saw that they eat – everything was either deep-fried or swimming in butter, and no vegetables anywhere to be found).

The whole family had weight issues, but my poor friend, only in part because of her medical problems, finally lost the battle. I hope she’s OK – haven’t talked to her in a while, and she started turning down our invitations because it was basically too big a hassle to go any where in the city (because she’s have to walk more than a few feet from her car) or anywhere with even a couple of stairs (she was using a walker for a while after the surgery, but mostly because it made her feel more comfortable and secure about her balance, not because she actually needed it to walk most of the time). So frustrating to see such a waste of human potential.

Dammit, all of you people who don’t know my gender can just go suck my dick! (There. Clearer? :slight_smile: )

You make a good point, but what might be an excuse can become just another obstacle. I fancy myself something of a gourmet cook, and regardless of what people think of me, I’m not that much of an idiot. I should be able to think up some low fat, low calorie recipes. My spatula is just not tuned in to that yet.

This is not true. It’s actually very simple: if a fat person continues to eat less, eat better, and exercise, they will lose weight.

What is so complicated about that?

And if you repeat it enough times, it might become true.

For Og’s sake, have you not read anything in this thread?

tdn, just don’t push my head down :eek:

Allow me to clarify: The reasons why people don’t, can’t, won’t, or fail to restrict their caloric intake and exercise to create a calorie deficit resulting in weight loss are too complex and multi-faceted to allow a one-size-fits-all explanation OR solution.

You kidding? In a thread about weight loss, I wouldn’t force you to eat anything you don’t want to eat. Even if it is fat free, sugar free, and full of protein. :wink:

Looking at the website for the hospital where I work, I’ve found a few interesting quotes. Make of them what you will:

The nutritionist at the gym where I was worked agreed to work with me for a discount if I would train her for a while. The most surprising thing I learned about my body type is that I need to get 40% of my calories from protein, 30% from carbs, and :eek: 30% from fat. That’s right, I have to eat food with some fat in it. Otherwise, my body can go into starvation mode and start hoarding the little bit of fat it does get.

I almost couldn’t make it through the first week of my new diet. Not because I wasn’t eating enough, but I felt like I was eating too much! I was eating six fairly large meals a day. The next week when I told her I didn’t think I could continue because I felt I was force feeding myself, she asked me to weigh myself and allow her to take my body fat first. I weighed in at 9 pounds heavier. I almost walked out right there, but let her take my body fat. It was down 2.3%! I had gained 9 pounds in muscle and bone and lost several pounds of fat in only a week!

The point I wanted to make is that a diet doesn’t have to (and probably shouldn’t) be “bland and fat-free”. Not only is it bad for you, but it’s very difficult to stick with.

Granted, very few people have the access that I did. But a quick search on Amazon will bring up thousands upon thousands of books on nutrition. Speak with your doctor at your next yearly checkup (you do go in for regular checkups, don’t you?) and ask him/her to recommend one to you. Hell, hit your doctor up for some free advice. They’d probably be more than happy to help you get yourself healthier.

Honestly, you simply do not get it. You make yourself appear to be a knuckle-dragging simpleton with this drivel. Seriously.

I sincerely wish I could be the nurse treating you when your health starts to go so I can stand over you and tell you how you brought it on yourself and to get your wallet out because the people who pay premiums to your health insurance carrier aren’t obligated to help aborb YOUR health problems that YOU obviously brought on yourself. I’d say it with a smile, believe that.

Your “brother” Lord Ashtar tried to argue that since an obese person can “undo” being fat and a reckless driver can’t “undo” a car crash, you can’t consider them the same. That’s stupid bullshit and nitpicking. If someone CHOOSES to speed then by your analogy they CHOOSE to run a higher risk of accident so they DESERVE what they get and their insurance company shouldn’t pay their medical bills because of their CHOICE. You do realize that under insurance, your premiums are driven by losses paid for all people insured right?

By your standards if you fall and break your leg while skiiing, you should have to pay for your bills because you CHOSE to do something that could cause injury. The list could go on and on.

You have an issue with obesity, we allllllllllllllllll get that. Your issue makes you blind to logic and your points make little sense because you only CHOOSE to apply them to certain situations. With your mode of thinking, most everyone will be paying for their own medical bills because taxpayers (for welfare, medicare, etc) and people covered under private/employer sponsered insurance shouldn’t have to pay for each other’s bills even though that is exactly how the theory of insurance works.

Unbelievable.

Wow. So what were you eating? What was a typical day?

Your story reminds me of a conversation I had years ago. I’ve wanted to post it, but felt it didn’t merit a Pit thread of its own. I guess now is the time.

A friend of mine felt she was way too fat. She and a companion decided it was time to hit a gym. She was so proud of herself for going. When she got back, here was our conversation:

Me: So how’d it go?
Her: I worked my butt off for an hour! When I came home, I weighed myself, and I was a pound heavier!
Me: That could be due to anything.
Her: Bullshit! Exercise made me heavier!
Me: No, it didn’t. Scales fluctuate, weights vary by time of day…
Her: Bullshit! I’m a pound heavier!
Me: But you’re not going to lose weight after exercising once. It may be three or more weeks before you see results.
Her: Three weeks?!? Fuck that! I want to see results now!
Me: Hmm, how much did you expect to lose from one gym session?
Her: I don’t know! Somethin’! Exercise is bullshit, man. It makes you gain weight. I ain’t goin’ back, ever again.

She celebrated her new found freedom from exercise by eating a bucket of fried chicken wings that night.

Let’s not forget, folks - 98% of that “wheat bread” on the shelf next to the white is just white bread dyed caramel color. Read the ingredients label, and it will say so.

If you really want to get the benefits of fiber and nutrients by eating wheat bread, then buy “whole wheat” bread, which is made with the entire wheat chaff and not from processed white flour dyed to make it look brown. It’s more flavorful, too! Mmmmmmm…grains.

Are you talkin’ to me?

I was pointing out the bland fat-free crackers and hummus diet that someone else mentioned. I eat some fat-free crackers, but not to lose weight…I enjoy them sometimes, just like I enjoy a nice slice of cake sometimes. I’m not on a diet, nor will I ever be again. I know how to eat, but sometimes I eat too much. I’m working on that, but I don’t expect an overnight solution and I don’t expect to lose weight. And if you didn’t read my previous post, I’m also a regular exerciser, and very strong, I might add.

I didn’t ask for advice. I know all that stuff a million times over. I’m not asking anyone to improve my “fatness” situation, and I am very healthy as indicated by my yearly exams. :rolleyes:

I realize you are only trying to be helpful, but it sounded a tad condescending to me, assuming that I don’t know all that stuff just because I’m fat. And that’s the problem with assuming that one knows everything there is to know about losing weight and being fat.

I think he was addressing the general “you”, rather than the specific you.

Lots of tuna and turkey. Both are good for protein and neither has a lot of fat. For dinner (my 5th meal of the day) I was grilling a hamburger outside and eating it on whole wheat toast with a scrambled egg and a slice of cheese on top (man, is that good!). Also a lot of milk and yogurt, as calcium apparently helps metabolize fat. I also ate lots of fruit: bananas, apples, grapes, and peaches. It’s been a few years, but that’s the gist of it. Of course, I was also lifting weights and doing cardio 3-5 times a week.

Oh, and Heart On My Sleeve, that was not directed at you specifically, as tdn suggested. Your comment reminded me of a story that I thought was applicable to this thread. I apoligize for the misunderstanding.