Ever tried cuffing someone who doesn’t want to be cuffed and is resisting? I have. I wish we had had Tasers back in the days when I was a cop.
These days, I teach Defensive Tactics for Law Enforcement Officers. I start the class by taking the smallest student and telling him to resist being cuffed; no fighting, just being uncooperative and resistant. I then have the three biggest cops handcuff him. It usually takes about two minutes. Imagine what it would be like if he had been actually fighting with them.
I then repeat the exercise and have him cuffed within 10-15 seconds by using pressure point control tactics. Pain compliance is a wonderful thing. That’s why tasers are so good; they do not require the officer to get within arm’s reach of the suspect, thereby increasing officer safety.
In order for your point to have any validity the woman would have to have said “OK officer, I’m hanging up now” and got off of the phone, that second. She had a suspended license and from what I read was speeding.
She didn’t get off of the phone. She practically ignored the officer. Whether or not she took a swing, I couldn’t see, but she isn’t making too many “I was in the right” points.
I don’t feel sorry for the mouthy melodramatic bitch at all.
Or I just find your constant ‘hubby this’ ‘hubby that’ refrain as annoying as sand in the underwear.
You don’t like what I have to say about cops? That’s fine, but you don’t get to sit on a high horse and lecture me about what wonderful people they are as if none of my experiences ever happened.
My firsthand experience in life contradicts your lecture, so pardon me if I’m not going to take you and your ‘hubby says’ word for it.
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You don’t like what I have to say about cops? That’s fine, but you don’t get to sit on a high horse and lecture me about what wonderful people they are as if none of my experiences ever happened.
Conversely, as we just supposed to take your word for it that every cop you’ve ever come in contact with is an asshole? And, furthermore, take your word for it that any force which has ever been used against you was not justified?
What motivation would I have to lie? Here I am, on an anonymous message board. I could confess freely any misconduct I have seen without any fear of reprisal whatsoever. Your vague claims of misconduct don’t compare with what I’ve heard and seen from Hubby’s eight years of working closely with law enforcement officers (going on raids, participating in arrests and in investigations). Why is that?
Good to know your personal experience is more valid than Lissa’s firsthand experience. That clears it right up.
Has it ever occurred to you that when the police are against you, and the posters on the board are against you, and EVERYONE seems to be against you…that maybe the problem is with you? As in, you’re a fucking pain-in-the-ass, arrogant bitch with limited-to-no social skills and an inability to see anything from any perspective but your own?
I used to think you were just another troll, but I’ve since realised you’re a pathetic reactionary jerk with no ability to accept anything that challenges your perspective on the world.
Lissa’s right - it must suck to be you. However, unlike her, I’ve completely run out of empathy stores to put up with that kind of bullshit attitude.
I’ve had bad experiences with the police, most of which I’d rather not discuss. I’ve also had good experiences with police, like the officer who let me use his phone to call a ride and left me at a convenience store after I totalled my car, when he could have arrested me for DWI. I don’t believe all cops are bad. I don’t automatically assume one is bad when I meet him, but I’m always prepared for that possibility.
Thank you for proving Guinastasia’spoint for her. What you say above is EXACTLY why officers are taught to respond the way that they do, as has been explained to you numerous times, by numerous posters.
Reading comprehension is your friend. The women WAS being arrested. The police officers were in the process of arresting her, and due to her prior history she probably strongly suspected that this was it for her.
The two statements are from the different perspectives of both her, and the two officers involved, therefore yes both statements are true. There is no mystery here.
Yes, she sounded JUST like one of my kids after having been thwarted from getting their way and then going on to have a huge temper tantrum.
You could even hear in her voice about the exact moment she decided “that’s it, I may be on the ground, but by DAMN I’m going to make their lives a living hell with my noise”.
She went from the semi-understandable and reasonable “wuh wuh wuh” sounds, and then she starts escalating a little, and then, just like a bratty toddler having a temper tantrum, she starts into it, and you can hear the exact moment she makes that decision.
Wait, wait. I’m utterly confused here. These are men we’re talking about, and in catsix’s world, men can do no wrong and are only “bad” because they’ve been at the mercy of evil femi-nazis.
Wow, the power of evil feminazis has spread to the police?
Lissa, i realize that you might have been too interested in your pissing contest with catsix to answer my question. Either that, or you’re really not interested in discussing this issue logically.
But i’m still wondering why the fact that you know some cops through your husband’s job has any relevance here. Have you been on late-night traffic stops with these people? Have you watched them do their jobs in situations where they thought no-one else was watching? The fact that they appear to be “ordinary folks” during your interactions with them don’t necessarily tell you very much at all about how they do their job.
As i said in my previous post, i think that “most cops have a genuine desire to do good in the world, and that true rogue cops are the exception rather than the rule,” but your appeal to off-the-job encounters and casual recreational interactions strikes me as rather irrelevant to this debate. And i think that’s what catsix was trying to get at.
Sure, it’s silly and unreasonable to assume that all cops are crooks and/or bullies; but those who argue against such a position often seem to take the position that all cops are angels. In my opinion, there are frequent enough reports in the press of corrupt or bullying police to suggest that, while a minority, such police are present in most departments, and are present in sufficient numbers to pose a danger to the general public and to their fellow officers.
People might look at this story (posted today) and say that these cops are the exception, not the rule. I would agree with that, but such cases happen often enough that arguing for the infallibility and incorruptibility of law enforcement—as some folks seem to imply—is plain idiotic. And cases like this understandably influence how some members of the general public come to view the force as a whole.
