Official 2011 NFL Football Thread - Preseason Edition

No cuts yet in 49er-land.
UDFA list includes Chase Beeler, the center out of Stanford that helped at the second “Camp Alex*” with O-Line calls. Also intriguing is Notre Dame NT Ian Williams; he has the size for the nose and played it in college. I’ve read that he’s a mid-round talent that dropped off the boards because of an injury.

That brings us to the 16 million dollar question: can the 49ers re-sign NT Abrayo Franklin. It’s looking unlikely, but I’ve got my fingers crossed.

Other storylines:

  • CB Nate Clements will either re-do his contract or get cut.
  • Alex Smith will re-sign, but will he have veteran company?
  • Team officials have said they will not be big players in the FA open market, but they do have to fill out the roster. Will they make a play for Nnamdi?

*: “Camp Alex” is two mini-camps organized by Alex Smith at San Jose State to implement the new Harbaugh/Roman offense. On that one-day break in the lockout, Harbaugh gave Smith the playbook, along with game video, Powerpoint presentations, and some instructions specifically so he could get a head-start during the work stoppage.

John Clay to the Steelers could be interesting. Looks like a running style and an offensive line that are a perfect match to me.

Any minute now we’ll have our resident Bengals fan telling us how it doesn’t matter, that a slew of quarterbacks with zero game experience will take them to the promised land. I hope you’re ready, because it’s time for the cascading buckets of bullshit from Foie Gras.

I’m gonna go to the home opener against Cinci this year to see the magnificence of Andy Dalton myself.

Charles Johnson looks to be resigning with Carolina. Rumor that Ray Edwards (DE, Min) may sign with Cleveland.

If the oppossing defense agrees to let Clay and the Steelers snap the ball and get up to speed for 4 or 5 seconds before the defense moves at all, Clay may cut it inthe NFL. If they don’t, however, I think Clay will not amount to much.

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Rumor that Ray Edwards (DE, Min) may sign with Cleveland.
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I heard Edwards was a shoe in to sign with the Iggles. Shows how goofy the rumor wire is.

That was the rumor earlier too, yeah. Dunno. Maybe he’s just feigning interest in signing (with either party) to drive up his price.

Starting a new job this week has up-ended my initial plans to crank out the first team break down for the thread. I had hoped to get a team summary on “paper” before the lockout officially ended and any roster moves were announced, but shit happens. Still, now’s the time to at least get started. As usual this will be wordy and probably boring to just about everyone who isn’t a Bears fan, but this is what I do. Deal with it.

As has been my tradition of late, I’ll do this as a positional breakdown. I’ll highlight each positional group as they stand now, what they stand to lose in free agency, who they’ve drafted and signed as UDFAs, who they need to try and keep and who they should target on the open market. We’ll see how many signings and cuts happen between when I start typing this and when it gets posted.

NFC NORTH CHAMPION Chicago Bears

Coaching and Management
Not a lot to discuss on this front. The “brain trust” managed to luck into a division title and a conference title game last season so the heat on their seats ought to be a bit cooler than it was last off-season. Bears’ president Ted Phillips and General Manager Jerry Angelo are under contract until 2013 and they conspired to extend Lovie until 2013 as well on the heels of yet another contract year performance. Lovie might be the first coach I’ve ever seen successfully pull off the contract year phenomenon. Phillips and Angelo have both said they plan to retire when their contracts are up, and it’s unlikely that Lovie gets booted while they are still around. Odds are good that these clowns will still be at Halas Hall through the 2012 season unless the 2011 season is a complete trainwreck…which isn’t out of the question.

Still, this helter skelter off-season is going to really be a test for front offices across the league. The most agile and creative will probably have great opportunities to advance this year in the mad scramble that’s sure to take place over the next few weeks. The Bears player-personnel men have never been considered creative and I’m not sure they are agile either. It’s unclear how the new salary cap structure and contract restrictions will effect teams going forward, but the salary cap floor will probably make the Bears even more driven to retain their own players while steering away from big dollar FAs then they have been in years past. For all the Bears front office faults, they tend to be pretty savvy with money and contracts. They took advantage of the uncapped year and front loaded the Cutler and Peppers contracts and restructured a couple others to keep the 2011 cap numbers under control. They rarely let their own players hit the open market driving up costs. I suspect that this new system could favor this group, if only they had the scouting ability to match this fiscal responsibility.

The rest of the staff is star studded, former head coaches Mice Tice, Mike Martz and Rod Marinelli will all be back in their respective roles and each will be expected to make great strides in their second year. They’d better since they each are responsible for the 3 youngest and fragilest positional groups. Long story slightly less long, the Bears have stability and experience at the top and it’s time to string together a couple winning seasons as a result.

Quarterback
On the Roster: Jay Cutler, Nathan Enderle ®, Trevor Vittatoe (UDFA)
On the Bubble: Caleb Hanie (RFA)
On the Radar: Brad Smith
Under the Bus: Todd Collins

There will certainly be a lot of scrutiny on Jay Cutler at the start of this season considering the way the last one ended. He needs to grow up, and while I’m loathe to acknowledge this sort of tripe his tabloid relationship isn’t really giving me much confidence that any major changes are afoot.

The injury is a moot point as far as all right minded people should agree. I confess to being somewhat apprehensive about the lack of medical attention it apparently received, that either means it’s healed or it’s been neglected. Hopefully it’s the former. He’s been throwing a lot in workouts and there’s no talk of any ill effects.

Back to that maturity issue, I don’t care about the on the field antics and he seems to be well supported by his teammates. The tabloid stuff isn’t necessarily a big deal and he’s never been in any kind of trouble off the field, but I think I might have felt a little better about his focus if he were settling down. Where this stuff sticks in my craw is his apparent unwillingness to work in practice and accept coaching. By most accounts he does exactly what’s asked of him, no more. If he ever got a QB coach he’d listen to and fixed those sloppy mechanics he could really be something. Martz might be part of the problem there, as is Lovie’s laissez faire approach, but I had hoped that all the misery in last seasons conclusion would send him to Siberia Rocky style to prove people wrong. That doesn’t appear to be the case.

The real dynamic bit will be the chaos behind the starter. Caleb Hanie looked to be a very solid #2 when he was called into service in the NFC title game and almost led the epic comeback. Prior to that I’ve often said that he was a real underrated talent and he’s improved every step of the way when he’s gotten his admittedly limited preseason snaps. The big problem is that he’s inexplicably been out of favor with the coaching staff. Martz seems to hate him and Lovie has cooled on him significantly since he was signed out of college. He was inexcusably listed 3rd on the depth chart behind Todd Collin’s corpse last season for god’s sake. It’s unclear where Hanie will end up this season and whether he’ll even be a Bear. As an restricted free agent (RFA) the Bears have the right of first refusal on him, they can match any competing offer. It’s likely he’ll receive a few, it’s unclear if the Bears will match those offers. Since Hanie was an UDFA the Bears would be due no compensation if he was lost. Obviously I think the Bears would be foolish not to lock him up since Cutler’s shown he’s not invincible and having experience in Martz’s system is important.

Last year the Bears drafted Dan LeFevour with the intention of stashing him on their practice squad. Hanie’s injury and the ill-advised Todd Collins contract made it so they didn’t even have the option of rostering him, and naturally he was lost to the Bengals once he was released. They could be in a similar situation this year as well. If they decide to retain Hanie they’ll have to decide if they can afford to stick Enderle on the roster as the #3. Emergency QB rules have been erased in this new CBA meaning that it’s even less likely that teams will carry 3rd QBs as developmental projects. I suspect the Bears will roster Enderle no matter what happens with Hanie after losing the practice squad gamble last year. This makes the Bears signing a veteran backup off the free agent pool a near impossibility.

I included Brad Smith in this list as being on the Bears radar on the heels of numerous rumors to that extent. He’s an interesting option and he’d come at the right price. Practically he’s more of a WR than a QB but if the Bears lose Hanie and consider rostering just 2 QBs this year having Smith on the roster as a gadget player and 3rd QB would be a nice resource. I’ll save the discussion of Smith’s potential as a WR/KR for later, but I think he’s a intriguing option if the Bears decide to upend things at the QB position.

Vittatoe is a undrafted QB out of UTEP who I know next to nothing about. Odds are that he’s nothing more than a camp arm who has little chance of making even the practice squad, but we shall see.

My Seahawks have signed Tavaris Jackson and are also vying for the services of Matt Leinart!!!

It appears the race for Andrew Luck has begun. :frowning:

Things are happening quickly, and guess what, players are agreeing to exorbitant long term contracts so that their respective teams can get to the salary floor. I’m looking at you Charles Johnson and Quintin Mikell. And while everything Enginerd said makes perfect sense, it ignores the critically important fact that players don’t like one year deals and are reluctant to sign them. The market for players the Eagles are interested in is going through the roof.

It has been long held that Kevin Kolb is going to Arizona, damn near guaranteed. What wasn’t always so sure was what the return for the Eagles would be. I guess right now the rumored sticking point is whether it’s going to be Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and a 1st or DRC and a 2nd. DRC and Samuel together is a disaster waiting to happen, but that’s a pretty damn fine haul for a backup QB, either way. Well, assuming 2010 was a fluke.

The Eagles also indicated they won’t be resigning any of their free agents. So the God Among Men James Harrison will be on his way out of town, along with a number of other backups and projects. Stewart Bradley will end up being a really, really good player on a team somewhere, and it’s a shame to see him go, but it just wouldn’t feel right for the Eagles to have a good linebacker in my lifetime.

So to recap: No Kolb trade yet, Charles Johnson set the market high enough that the Eagles may not be able to get Ray Edwards and anything else (and they have other holes to fill), Plaxico Burress is on his way to NY to likely sign with the Giants again (wtf?!), and while Asomugha was linked to the Eagles all lockout, he no longer seems likely. Awesome.

Oh! Another funny story. After the first night of the free agency free for all, there were rumors that not every team understood the timeline after the lifting of the lockout. So while some teams were extremely active signing undrafted free agents, some teams were completely in the dark that this was allowed at all. After the dust settled on the first day, two teams were left without a single signed UDFA after day one.

I dare you to guess which two teams. Go ahead, guess. You’ll get it right, I bet.

Yeah, you probably got it. The two inept franchises were, unsurprisingly, the Bengals and Raiders

As a Cards fan, I am a bit antsy about the Kolb deal. I’d prefer them to go after Kyle Orton to be honest with you - not flashy but looks after the ball and his rating has been above 85 for the past 2 years. Seems far safer than taking a punt on Kolb. You’re right though, everyone seems to think Kolb is a done deal, bar the wrangling over the proper level of compensation for the Eagles.

I would imagine dalej42 will be able to chime in with better analysis on the Cards but this, potentially, is a crucial period for the franchise. There are holes up and down the O-Line (indeed, there have been for years but this was disguised by Kurt Warner’s level of play) which mean any QB coming in is going to have a tough time in any case. However, a decent QB is required because Larry Fitzgerald’s contract is coming up and he’ll need assurances that the team is going to have someone under centre who can actually put the ball near him. Failure to get a decent QB, leading to Fitz hitting free agency could send the team back into the doldrums for a good long while.

Defensive side of the ball, the Cards potentially have a decent secondary (if they hold onto DRC and install him as the #2 CB with Peterson taking over as #1) and a pretty decent front (Dan Williams at NT rounded out into good form towards the end of the season last year and Darnell Dockett, when healthy, is a force). The Cards really need linebackers though. A decent secondary is not going to prevent you being picked apart if you can’t pressure the QB. The linebacker corps is not strong enough to do this consistently. Daryl Washington looks like he could be good, assuming he continues to mature. O’Brien Schofield is intriguing but is still not really all the way back from his ACL injury that he got in college (was still probably worth a shot with a 4th round pick when they got him though). Everyone else is either too old, too injured or was not that talented in the first place to provide a good pass rush. Also, they’ve another new Defensive Co-ordinator, so I imagine some scheme stuff might well change, which could shake things up initially.

So, the way I see it, it’s a QB, some O-Line help and a linebacker for the Cards. Looking around pickings are reasonably slim on the O-Line side of things - I’d like to see them make a play for Tyson Clabo and/or Jammal Brown; though the latter is an injury risk, the Cards are not in position to be too choosy, as LT has been a black hole for years. The only saving grace is that the NFC West projects to be pretty awful again this year, so the Cards could still back into the playoffs providing they have someone competent to throw the ball. Even then, St Louis looks like they will be better this year - I can see them being the team to get out of the division.

My, my! Testy, aren’t you?

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I can’t believe you think I would think that. Carson Palmer gives us a *much *better chance to win than the unknown promise of a rookie, although it must be said that rookie QB’s having some success seems more prevalent now than it ever used to be, and Dalton looks to be a gamer. It could happen, but I am not going to sit here with orange-tinted glasses and tell you we are going to the Superbowl or anything. There was a lot of optimism surrounding the Bengals after their season in 2009 sweeping the division, although they crapped themselves in the playoff game against the Jets, but they then again crapped the bed WITH Palmer in 2010 and went 4-12, so who knows what will happen?

My take is if Palmer wants to be a fucking quitter then let him quit…we can go 4-12 with or without him, and at least without him we are rebuilding.

But shit, not only are the Bengals starting over with a new QB (which could still end up being a veteran guy as they are looking to sign someone…like Gradkowski) they have a new o-coordinator that’s unproven that wants to run the West Coast offense.

I certainly didn’t want Palmer to quit, and I think Mike Brown is incredibly stupid for not helping the team by trading him and getting some draft picks. Brown thinks that he’d be opening some kind of Pandora’s box by relenting to Palmer’s wishes, as if the Bengals roster was stuffed with $100 million dollar franchise QB’s…the reality is that most NFL players need their money pretty badly as many of them spend up to what they make, and just because Palmer got a huge $30 million dollar signing bonus when his contract was reworked after 2005 and banked it instead od spending it doesn’t mean that there will suddenly be a watershed of Bengals players demanding trades.

I can hardly blame Palmer for wanting to quit the Cincinnati Dumpster Fire. Dude has been pretty damn loyal for 8-10 years or so. Mike Brown is being incredibly stupid.

Well, that’s his normal setting.

Things are crazy in New Orleans. So far, they’ve signed 20 undrafted free agents, have 26 of their own free agents to sign/release, and may be going after other free agents. Hearing rumors about TE Todd Heap, but nothing official on him yet.

Hasselbeck to the Titans. How many teams will have different opening day starting QBs from last year.

I’m freaking pissed at the 49ers for letting David Baas get away. He flew in from Florida for one day of Camp Alex, said he wanted to return, the team has no other centers, and yet he signs with the Giants.

Takeo Spikes also left, but that’s not as bad. He was being a dickwad during the lockout.

If this frees up $$ to get Nnamdi and/or Abrayo, then OK, but I think it’s ineptitude.

The Rams filled one need by coming to terms with Quintin Mikell at safety. There is noise they are going after Sidney Rice pretty hard as well. That will fill two needs and is one from my wishlist for them… Curretnly my wishlist is:
LB: Akeem Jordan, Leroy Hill, Quincey Black. Any one of them, two would be better.
WR - Sidney Rice. they built a pretty good short a mid-field WR/TE corps in the draft but need the deep threat.
RB - Jason Snelling a good fit to double team with SJ, but I am not sure how happy SJ would be with a RB-by-committee situation. Deffinatly someone who can carry the load if SJ goes down, as well
CB - Johnathan Joseph or Carlos Rogers we need speed and smarts at CB.

I’m hoping that what’s going on is that their preference is to sign Asomugha, and that they’re holding off on the Kolb trade until they know whether they’d rather have draft picks, with DRC their second choice. That’s what I hope …

Disagree utterly. The Eagles drafted 3 DEs last year; it’d be stupid to give up on all of them so soon. They need a functional rotation guy who can play for a year before being phased out for one of the kids. Edwards will want a 4-5 year deal with a guarantee up front. And he won’t be worth it. If Washburn thinks Babin can play, sign him to an affordable deal.

Oh, heck no. Not at his age, not with his baggage, not with so many young WRs, including some excellent UFAs.

My dream is that Reggie White, Eric Allen and Seth Joyner emerge from an alternate, time-travelling universe. Neither one of is getting our dream…

Wait … you want to spend a quarter of your salary cap on 3 starting CBs? :dubious:

I don’t think “prying” is the word. I’d be stunned if Washington traded him within the division. Either they trade him far away, for whatever they can get, or they release him. I’d bet on the latter. And given the right contract (i.e. one the team can get out of), he’d be a great fit.