Well, I certainly won’t vouch for his math especially the 100x part), but the person who keeps the company going is playing a crtical role. It’s arguable whether it’s as critical as the start-up guy, but it would be no good to have a start-up if there wasn’t someone to keep it going (and often the start-up guy doesn’t have that skill).
This is turning into a huge hijack of the original thread OP, but if you really want to persue the subject, maybe (as an expert in the field) you can tell us what percentage of corporate officers are guilty of defrauding epmployees and shareholders?
True, on both counts.
What I find sort of ironic about this is that the dispute isn’t really about immigrant kids, it’s about first-generation kids. And since we seem to be swaping anecdotes, I’ll tell mine:
First generation kids are awesome. I teach in one of the most diverse schools in the country, and we have kids from everywhere, kids born here whose parents are from everywhere, kids who are fourth-generation welfare, and kids who are children of fourth generation professionals. And I have really noticed over the years that out of all those kids, there is something different about the first generation kids–be their parents from Bosnia, Mexico, Zimbabwe, or Vietnam. It’s a group of kids that tends to be more responsbile: they are the translators, the form-filler outers, the public voice of their family starting at a very young age. They learn how to problem solve and to act decisively. They are the most sophisticated thinkers: living in two cultures simultainously has taught them to be flexible thinkers who recognize that there is always more than one way to solve a problem, and they come up with those ways.
Among our at-risk kids, first generation kids and very early immigrant kids are disproportionally represented in the top 10% of their class, year after year.
Not all first generation kids are wonderful, of course. But it seems to be an experience that has the potential to shape really autnomous, creative thinkers. I think the constant flux of first-generation kids has has a tremendous positive effect on American society, and ought to be considered when we look at the potential costs of immigration.
The CEO demands better roads so his semis can haul his goods to market. The CEO demands cheap oil so his semis can take his goods to market for less. The CEO moves his manufacturing overseas so his goods are cheaper. The CEO demands our ports accept his goods quickly. The CEO moves his corporate address to a P.O. Box in the Caymens so he doesn’t have to pay taxes, so his goods can be cheaper.
The CEO demands a fuck of a lot more than 100 poor people.
Don’t forget mowing people’s lawns.
What a silly question. Maybe you can start a thread and tell us what percentage of poor people are guilty of “stealing from the jar”. And then let’s compare the relative damage a poor person makes from this jar stealing and a CEO makes.
Do you really want to go there?
Pay their fucking medical bills like I do.
My husband was attacked by a drunken bartender on meth this past February. He is disabled, the guy knew this, and deliberately broke and dislocated hub’s shoulder plus made it necessary to have fourteen stitches put in his face. This was at a dart club meeting my husband was attending with his father and other men in their sixties, seventies and eighties. He then tried to kill my father-in-law, who fortutately only got a fat lip. My husband was forced to go by ambulance to the emergency room by cops who said they’d arrest him if he didn’t. The medical ‘insurance’ (don’t get me started on the state of healthcare in this country) available through my work would eat through almost my entire monthly income, so I choose to pay my mortgage and eat, and very little else, instead. We failed in our lawsuit against the bar because they declared bankruptcy, so we have been paying the ambulance company bill, the hospital bill plus interest, the hospital doctor bill, the orthopedist bills, the physical therapy bills and the medication costs in increments since the incident and probably will be paying them for the next few years.
I guess the only consolation is the bar fired the asshole and my husband hasn’t figured out how to locate the guy to murder him, yet.
What the fuck does any of this have to do with illegal immigration? Maybe you should be more concerned about your husband looking to commit murder than about some migrant workers picking your grapes for you.
Oh, and FYI, being born here isn’t “immigrating.”
My condolences on your husband’s condition, but I fail to see what relevance your story has to a discussion on the subject of whether the children of illegal immigrants born in this country should be barred from citizenship or not. Your story would be relevant in a discussion on whether the health care system in this country is broken.
The rules for this are fairly strict already. A child claiming a parent must be 21 in order to do so. An illegal immigrant can’t merely have a child here and then immediately use that child to apply for citizenship.
I was responding to a question. I realize this thread has hijacked this way and that, but not entirely by me. Thanks for explaining that. :rolleyes:
I think illegals having children in this country who automatically become citizens further affect our medical industry by perpetuating the emergency-room-as-a-free-clinic attitude and behavior.
Okay, but what if you’re mother is on a visitor’s visa? Or is a student?
I remember reading that Teddy Roosevelt’s father had his mother rushed to the American Embassy (they were visiting Berlin, IIRC) when she went into labor with him, so he would be born on American soil.
The child is a U.S. citizen. Both classes that you mention are subject to U.S. jurisdiction while on U.S. soil.
The National Park Service seems to think T.R. was born in New York City.
You are quite welcome.
How do illegals having children in this country who automatically become citizens perpetuate the emergency room as a free clinic attitude? Do you have some study that would support this contention? As a percentage of the population, how may of the children of illegal immigrants use and abuse emergency rooms compared to the overall population? I would be curious to see what these numbers are.
Okay, do you have any numbers to back that up? Bearing in mind that children born in this state without medical insurance are immediately eligible for Medi-Cal? Medi-Cal doesn’t pay much, but they do pay. Including emergency services and low cost medical care facilities such as urgent care clinics.
I’ve seen three hospitals shut down.
If you find percentages, please do share them.
Assuming that the visa isn’t expired, Mom is here legally, and the child will not be affected by the proposed new law/amendment.
A huge part of the immigration problem, as it pertains to Mexicans at least, is that the Mexican government seems to rely on the United States as a pressure valve. It’s a great deal for the Mexican government…they don’t have to worry as much about unemployment and general poor living conditions, as they know that a percentage of the population will try to get into the US and make it. Those who succeed often send home part of their wages, thus further alleviating Mexico’s social woes without the government spending money on it. What, you might ask, DOES the Mexican government spend its money on? Why, on comic books that show how to cross into the US illegally.
The US could be doing more to prevent illegal immigration, but businesses and some politicians love the cheap labor.
I live in Fort Worth, and read the Dallas Morning News, which frequently carries stories about Mexican politics/politicians.
I sympathize with the illegal immigrants, I feel that they are put into a position where all options are bad. However, that doesn’t mean that I’m happy with the results of their choices, and the choices of the US and Mexican governments.
Well, perhaps it was another president. I don’t know; I read it in the school library in fourth grade.
I am not sure that being subject to US laws is the sole test for citizenship, though. After all, not everyone in an embassy or a consulate has diplomatic immunity.
No, no. You made the assertions. It’s up to you to support them, not us to disprove them. You are saying you personally have seen three hospitals shut down due to abuse of emergency services by illegal aliens. So let’s see some numbers.