It’s only silly in the context of you’re misreading buttonjockey’s original point: that the average CEO contributes more to society than your average poor person. You’re the one who turned that into a diatribe against Enron, as if that was typical of corporate behavior.
Yep, but that’s the main reason that this is a “problem” to begin with-- the relatives that do get to immigrate later. And, like I said, there are ways to deal with this (if it is, in fact, a problem) without playing fast and loose with the consitution. Just change the immigration laws.
Teddy was born in New York City on 10/27/1858. But Teddy would have been a US citizen regardless of whether he was “born on US soil” or not since his parents were both US citizens.
Brilliant. So, are you unable to produce these facts that “everyone knows,” unwilling, or too stubborn? Oh, and you still haven’t answered my question about how children of illegal aliens born in this country are causing hospitals to shut down, given that, at least in this state, they are eligible for Medicaid services as soon as they’re born.
I explained in a previous post that my mother-in-law works in medical hospital coding. I don’t have the hospital’s private records. I know it’s a fact and I don’t give a shit if I can’t link to it.
Which hospitals? Was the hospital’s treatment of illegal immigrants and their U.S. born children, the sole reason the hospital shut down, as opposed to say treatment of second generation Americans without insurance, or other economic factors, such as the rise in medical malpractice premiums?
You are the one who is advancing the proposition that the illegal immigrants and their U.S. born children as responsible for hospital closings. However, you have not yet shown any study or article that would back said proposition.
Yes, but he might not have been able to be President had he been born in Germany. Hasn’t “natural-born citizen” been interpreted as being born on U.S. territory?
I think what we have here is a misunderstanding of the word “fact.” Something your mother in law says doesn’t make it a fact just because she’s a coder in the records department.
She has no access to information showing whether or not the patient is in this country legally.
She has given you her opinion. Different from fact. As it turns out, a misinformed opinion at that.
While I am sure you’re very happy to accept hearsay as “fact,” most of the people on this board are not. If you are going to state something is “fact,” even "the sky is blue, you better damn well be prepared for at least three people to yell “CITE!” and then be able to back it up. For example:
Here is a cite for Nevada which states newborns are automatically eligible for state medicaid. Here’s one for Arizona, and Here is one for California, Florida, New York and Texas. See, that’s what we call backing up our assertions. “I just know it, so THERE!” does not fall under that category.
I dunno, if she’s anything like my Mother In Law, then it’s a fact. And if you know what’s good for you, you’d agree.
I think we’ve been attacking the problem of illegal immigration from the wrong angle. What would happen if business licenses were suspended if a company hires illegals?
You’d see even more fly-by-night companies that contract (illegal) labor to other companies (that wouldn’t lose their licenses, because they weren’t hiring illegals)?
Okay, so our non-Rooseveltian parents are OK with their child’s citizenship.
Now for a Norwegian economic development officer who has a child in Atlanta. Can the government interpret the 14th Amendment to say that her child is not a citizen?
And what if the Emergency Room is closed because Ken Lay’s maid keeps coming in with a UTI?
Well, that’s swell, but you’re not trying to prove it’s a fact to yourself, you need to prove it’s a fact to everyone reading this thread. I can post that illegal immigrants shit gold and piss liquid silver, but me just saying so doesn’t make anyone else accept it as true. If you can’t back up your statements, you’re not actually adding anything of value to the conversation.
