Rather skimpy business expenses you had! 
Of course it wouldn’t work ex post facto. But it really really would create such situations in the future. If you aren’t a citizen just because you were born here, then if your parent’s status is unclear then you become stateless. And your kids will be stateless, and their kids too. Are we going to ship them back to Mexico?
What possible benefit are we going to get from denying citizenship to people born in the US? How exactly do we benefit when a baby born in America is judged unfit to be an American?
Does anyone really believe that illegals would pack up and go home once they learn their kids can’t be American citizens?
The really offensive thing about this stupid idea is that it proposes to punish the children for the crimes of their parents. And YES it is punishment to be told that you aren’t a citizen of the country you were born in and have spent your entire life in. And YES, the European countries that have this rule are wrong, and they’re paying a steep price for this policy. Look at Germany, where we have third generation ethnic turks that can’t get citizenship. They’ve never been to Turkey, they were born in Germany, their PARENTS have never been to Turkey and were born in Germany, yet they are…well, you can’t say they’re second class citizens, can you, because they aren’t any kind of citizen. The injustice of it is staggering.
Is that what we want to emulate here in this country?
Lemur: I’ve said I don’t favor this legislation. I just didn’t think the particular criticism you raised was valid. The situation in Germany is entirely different. They do not have hundreds of thousands of Turks enterring the country illegally every year. But Germany is a bad example anyway-- their citizenship laws were changed a few years ago to allow children of foreign born parents to be citizens if they were born in Germany.
No we weren’t using marriage since we have a child.
They turned us down here because you can only marry with a SS card and later in Arkansas because he didn’t have his birth certificate.
Yes for several years he used a fake ID (matricula as well as SS card) because he thought it wasn’t fake. When he found out it was he threw it away. Yes he remains here illegally and will until he gets his birth certificate which we’re hoping won’t take much longer. Waiting for mail from South Mexico is a bitch. He paid taxes, whether they were in his name or not, he paid from his checks until he lost his job. He has written down what he’s made and receipts from anyone who would sign (not many will) this year so when he files taxes he will pay. Didn’t I say that already?
I haven’t registered for the draft or served jury duty either…don’t know what that has to do with anything. And as you said, voting doesn’t make one legal and I honestly don’t know what that has to do with anything either. Voting is a priviledge of citizenship, not a requirement.
His cake has been working seven days a week for the past twelve years in a country that would just as soon toss him out without considering how he came here. He was a child taken by an adult American from his country to another. He HAS no home in the country he was born in. Everything and everyone he knows is in this country including his family. So you can roll your eyes until they fall out of your head and call him names if it gets you off; it doesn’t make him a lower person than you or any less deserving of the citizenship that he WILL get. I know, I know he came here ILLEGALLY :eek: ! Therefore he doesn’t deserve a goddamn thing right? Because to people like you circumstances just don’t matter.
Birth certificate … in this country… wasn’t that what the OP was about? You get to use it as your right to be in this country but the child of illegal immigrants can’t.
Makes no sense to me.
Then you would have no problem giving him citizenship and allowing him to contribute to society (even more then he already has been)?
If you really want to try to get him to be a lower person than Updike, you’re going to need a backhoe and a lot of time. I, for one, wish you guys well in the beaureaucratic hellhole of US immigration procudures, which I was lucky enough to avoid by virtue of having been born here. I always have to wonder how hard the anti-immigrant crowd would be willing to work for their own citizenship, as compared to immigrants to the US.
I’m not disagreeing with you or criticizing you at all. I just wanted to make the point that you must’ve done Mrs. Bricker’s permanent residency papers awhile ago. UnwrittenNocturne and I are in the process of doing his papers and it’s much more difficult to “prove” a legitimate relationship because he cannot be the secondary ‘owner’ of a financial account anymore, due to regulations imposed at financial institutions since September 11th.
At least the bills can be in both our names, though, which helps.
Oh, there’s also the income restrictions, which put a huge burden on us as when we married I was a college student making not-very-much-money-at-all. One has to make 125% of the poverty level, or, if one’s income is less than the limit, have liquid assets that are five times the difference. So if one has to make at least 17,000 a year and he/she only makes 12,000, then he/she has to have liquid assets totalling 25,000 or more. Not only do you have to make 125% of the poverty level in income, you have to proof (via tax returns) that you’ve made above that limit for the past three years, or had the assets as I described before. Not a problem for everyone, but certainly a problem for us, but we’re working on it.
As someone who has hired a number of independent contractors, I can tell you that the IRS doesn’t require reporting on jobs that pay under $600 per year. So please calm down and try to know what you’re talking about.
Seriously, that makes no sense? I’m really asking. Are you just saying that as code for “I disagree”, or do you not understand how anyone could think that making illegals’ babies into instant citizens only rewards and encourages illegal action?
I often wonder how many people on the other side of this argument manage to raise kids. If you tell kids not do something, but then give them a reward for it once they’ve done it, all you’ll get is the action you didn’t want.
But people are NOT their children, nor should children be used as a way to reward or punish their parents. We have seperate individuals here.
You think the babies need to be punished for the crimes of their parents? That makes sense?
This is just a bright idea, and not pre-approved or sponsored by SDMB, but would it be possible for members to contribute towards getting Eva Luna, who is a paralegal at a group dealing with assisting people in difficulties through immigration problems and who has helped out before in similar circumstances, the resources to come to the aid of Rushgeekhusband?
It’s pretty easy to make more than $600 in a summer of mowing lawns.
This is news to us. Perhaps good news. We require the same sort of help for the same kind of problem.
Thank you so much. Even if it’s a “no” the very idea that you’d think of us has made my day!
Would you be considered an independent contractor for each house, or a company that had many different clients?
Maybe if we offer to send Updike to Mexico?