[QUOTE=Fear Itself]
The American Medical Association (AMA) and the National Association of Emergency Medical Technicians (NAEMT) are both on record as being against their members assisting in executions. I don’t know what body governs trained phlebotomists, but I would be surprised if they did not also believe that assisting in executions violates the basic ethical foundation of medicine; “first, do no harm.”
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You can’t be serious.
[QUOTE=greatshakes]
You can’t be serious.
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Like a heart attack.
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip]
As an aspiring humanitarian, I’m willing to waive the raping and torturing.
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Hmmmm…that’s food for thought.
Perhaps waive the rape and death, and keep the torture?
You, Vinyl, have opened up many new and exciting vistas, which may perhaps be explored!
Well done.
[QUOTE=Giles]
I did a quick search for information on him, and found that he was severed abused by his father as a child. So the solution for childhood abuse leading to a stupid rape and murder…
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Stop it, stop it! That is too much to swallow even in the Pit. “Leading to a stupid rape and murder?” Rape and murder are not ‘stupid.’ Buying a 64 Dodge Dart as an investment is stupid. Sex with the bosses wife/daughter at work is stupid.
Rape and Murder are horrendous, and that is the best thing that you can say about them.
Also, that is assuming that the abuse ‘led’ to them, which it didn’t.
greatshakes
[QUOTE=danceswithcats]
For all of you DP opponents, save your bandwidth.
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Just checking in to say that it doesn’t cost me any bandwidth to speak of to mention that the death penalty is wrong.
Thank you for your patience.
[QUOTE=greatshakes]
This would be either a 50%, or 100% improvement than a double murder, depending on what mathematical model you want to use.
Proof:
2 innocent victims/1 POS murderer=2/1, so we are twice as humane as him.
1 POS/2 innocent victims=1/2, so there would be one death as opposed to his two.
Not counting the variable that he was a cold-blooded murderer, that killed two innocent victims, and had 22 years of life longer than they did. I don’t know how to factor that.
IAAHistorian, not mathematician.
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By these calculations, Cooey is almost 17 times more humane than John Wayne Gacy! Good thing you put things into perspective for us!
Murder is stupid and horrendous. Murdering someone for revenge is just as stupid and horrendous.
Well, that settles that.
[QUOTE=greatshakes]
Not counting the variable that he was a cold-blooded murderer, that killed two innocent victims, and had 22 years of life longer than they did. I don’t know how to factor that.
IAAHistorian, not mathematician.
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Here ya go.
Obviously, being a mathmetician does not help your argument.
I don’t have a dog in this fight - I don’t know what this guy did, I didn’t serve on the jury, I didn’t read the article - hell, I didn’t even read this whole thread.
In fact, I suffered an acute attack of oculitory rotation from this gem in the OP:
[QUOTE=danceswithcats]
I’m really sick and tired of bullshit appeals launched by these bastards who want me to get all in a lather over their feelings at the very end.
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I don’t know about you, but personally I like living within a legal system that allows a nearly endless stream of appeals for people on death row. When I finally end up there * I’ll be happy to have lawyers filing all kinds of silly paperwork to delay or prevent the state from pilfering my mortal coil. Because I’d be, you know, innocent of all charges. (Maybe.)
Pro- or anti-death penalty notwithstanding, if we live in a nation where it’s legal, then I want the delays built into the laws, dammit.
[QUOTE=Subway Prophet]
I don’t know about you, but personally I like living within a legal system that allows a nearly endless stream of appeals for people on death row. When I finally end up there * I’ll be happy to have lawyers filing all kinds of silly paperwork to delay or prevent the state from pilfering my mortal coil. Because I’d be, you know, innocent of all charges. (Maybe.)
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I would disagree with that. If you were using the appeals process to prove your innocence, I’d be right behind you. Even if you were just using it to move your guilt from “beyond a shadow of a doubt” to “beyond reasonable doubt” to get yourself off death row, I’d support this use of the process. If you were trying to prove that there were extenuating circumstances, or that you had an excuse for acting as you did, then again I’d support you. But if you just want to use an appeal to delay, then I cannot support giving you this option, no matter what your motivation.
In this particular case, there is only one thing Cooey can do to convince me he should be taken off death row, and that’s to cast doubt on whether he did it or not. If he can’t do that, I don’t care if he was abused, on drugs, overweight, a model citizen or a Martian.
So long as the death penalty is legal in his state, I’m reluctantly inclined to agree: if an inmate is going to push his appeals as long as he can, deliberately get fat and out-of-shape, it’s hardly fair for him to then be protected from punishment for his crime because he’s fat and out-of-shape.
If he were appealing his innocence I would have no problem with that. If we are going to have a death penalty — and some states do — then we’d better be pretty goddamned sure the guy’s guilty.
But he’s protesting that he’s not healthy enough to kill, and he doesn’t wanna get an owie when they poke him with needles, so he’s trying to weasel out of it. Doesn’t seem right to me.
Maybe in the future, execution orders could be changed from “sentenced to death by X method” into “sentenced to death by any constitutionally approved method.” That way there’s nothing to weasel against. Too fat to hang? Inject him. Too flabby to inject? Gas him. Throw in a nice provision that execution duties could be farmed out to another state with a different method, and you’d have a bushel basket of execution methods.
I’m not a huge supporter of the death penalty in the first place. Generally I think the death penalty is over-applied and used in cases where the crime is heinous but the evidence is scant. If we demanded stronger certainty in a death penalty case, it would make me — well, not happier, but less queasy about the whole thing.
[QUOTE=Grumman]
But if you just want to use an appeal to delay, then I cannot support giving you this option, no matter what your motivation.
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And you know it when you see, no matter what the inmate says?
[QUOTE=LilShieste]
Murder is stupid and horrendous. Murdering someone for revenge is just as stupid and horrendous.
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Well, that settles that!
[QUOTE=LilShieste]
Murder is stupid and horrendous. Murdering someone for revenge is just as stupid and horrendous.
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It’s not revenge, it’s this running deal the judicial system has with all of us, you see. They don’t sentence you to die unless you intentionally cause someone else to die. If you break the deal, then it sucks to be you. I’m one of the folks who believe in holding up my end of a deal. 
[QUOTE=danceswithcats]
It’s not revenge, it’s this running deal the judicial system has with all of us, you see. They don’t sentence you to die unless you intentionally cause someone else to die. If you break the deal, then it sucks to be you. I’m one of the folks who believe in holding up my end of a deal.
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So why doesn’t the state rape rapists?
[QUOTE=danceswithcats]
They don’t sentence you to die unless you intentionally cause someone else to die.
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[QUOTE=Fear Itself]
So why doesn’t the state rape rapists?
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Why would the state rape rapists?
This miserable piece of shit deserves to die and it should have been done years ago. If he’s too fucking fat for the needle, then there are other methods.
I don’t know why we don’t just execute pustules like him with a pistol shot behind the ear. It’s quick. It’s effective. It’s cheap. I don’t know if it’s completely painless, but that is neither here nor there. I don’t see any problem with him spending his last moments of existence in pain. Hospitals are full of sick people doing just that. Why should we give him an easier death than the average terminal cancer patient?
Killing him won’t bring back the two girls he killed and he isn’t going to kill any more while he’s locked up, it’s true. Killing him won’t even have a deterrent effect on other pustules like him. I don’t care about any of that. The world will be a better place without him in it and that is enough reason to to destroy him.
[QUOTE=Fear Itself]
So why doesn’t the state rape rapists?
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Insert joke about most rapists paying taxes.
[QUOTE=Fear Itself]
And you know it when you see, no matter what the inmate says?
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No, I can’t, not if they are acting like they are trying to prove they are less guilty. But Cooey isn’t even doing that.
Cooey’s claim that he’s too fat to be executed should be irrelevant as to the question of if or when he should be executed. He’s still a raping, murdering monster and there are other ways to send him to oblivion if you don’t want his pain on your conscience.
Thank you, Grumman, and Fish for grasping the concept to which many are wilfully obtuse. Apologies to othe DP supporters not noted.