OK, NOW I'm REALLY annoyed with the Anti-vaccination crowd

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[QUOTE=foresam]
Lavender Blue,

I don’t understand your anger. I don’t ask for, or take any money for advising parents how to help autistic children. I just share my experience with chelation to help poisoned children.

I think you might have mixed up a few facts. Mumps only makes men sterile if they have it as adults. So, it might be a good shot to have if you’re at risk. get it when you’re about 12.

Jackmanni,
“…it’s incredible to me that someone could so blithely wish “a bit of suffering” on children who could be protected from blindness, disability and even death by vaccination.”

No pain, no gain.
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You advocate this for children . . . and you don’t understand my anger? There is never a good reason to get a preventable illness.

Oh and the kids you allegedly advocate for aren’t poisoned. They have an illness that is probably genetic in origin, one that has been diagnosed in larger numbers because of differing diagnostic criteria.

Either learn something or go away.

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No, no, Dangerosa! Foresam should stay. This

[QUOTE=foresam]

The CDC doesn’t include ADD, etc in their numbers because they have no clue what they’re talking about. They also like to lie a lot to protect their pals in the drug companies. You have to take everything they say with a grain of salt.
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Is damned hilarious. With a grain of salt, he says! I had to get another, dryer keyboard just to post this

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Is the picture mumps? So what, the kid’ll be fine in less than two weeks. When I had those diseases, I enjoyed the time off from school, played baseball in the back yard, no big deal.

Oh, a better diagnosis sucker! LOL! Autism could never be missed. It’s a nightmare and would have always been identified if it had existed. No, autism is not genetic. If it was, we wouldn’t be able to cure it with chelation.

The better diagnosis BS is just a sham that is coupled with the increase in self diagnosed Asperger’s that gets misrepresented as autism to obfuscate the truth. I’m already an expert in autism so I doubt there’s anything you can teach me. But, if you learn how we can tweak chelation so we can cure everyone, I’d be happy to listen.

[QUOTE=LavenderBlue]
You advocate this for children . . . and you don’t understand my anger? There is never a good reason to get a preventable illness.

Oh and the kids you allegedly advocate for aren’t poisoned. They have an illness that is probably genetic in origin, one that has been diagnosed in larger numbers because of differing diagnostic criteria.

Either learn something or go away.
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The do it yourself chelation therapy foresam apparently advocates must surely be considered child abuse in many places. Can you really practice medicine on your child without a nursing degree or M.D. ?

Forget the stupidity and dangerousness of the practice. How can it possibly be legal?

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There is a term for this, when otherwise normal people – or even geniuses like Linus Pauling, who won a Nobel Prize for really good work but then went off on that wacko vitamin-C nonsense – deeply and truly believe something that is SO far out in Left Field as to defy belief. But I cannot remember what it’s called. Does anyone know what that term is?

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[QUOTE=foresam]
Is the picture mumps? So what, the kid’ll be fine in less than two weeks. When I had those diseases, I enjoyed the time off from school, played baseball in the back yard, no big deal.

Oh, a better diagnosis sucker! LOL! Autism could never be missed. It’s a nightmare and would have always been identified if it had existed. No, autism is not genetic. If it was, we wouldn’t be able to cure it with chelation.

The better diagnosis BS is just a sham that is coupled with the increase in self diagnosed Asperger’s that gets misrepresented as autism to obfuscate the truth. I’m already an expert in autism so I doubt there’s anything you can teach me. But, if you learn how we can tweak chelation so we can cure everyone, I’d be happy to listen.
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No big deal is not how most people would describe a condition with the risk of all kinds of potentially serious complications.

You’re not an expert in anything but quackery and misinformation.

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Maybe foresam can team up with that oddball hookworm-therapy advocate who was on here a short while ago and open a clinic. Except foresam would have to charge NOT to give a vaccination.

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All the doctors are lying, all the medical journals are backing them up - and the medical evidence that Chelation Therapy has the same net benefits as placebo treatment were made up.

People, thousands of children are at risk of ADD (or is it Autism, you seem to have jumped from one to the other Foresam) instead of cheerfully taking a couple of weeks off school for mumps, or Whooping Cough or Diptheria!

Oh, you had mumps and it only took a couple of weeks to get over it? Just as well it wasn’t measles Youth and migration

And that 561 is just the deaths, not the long term ill, the permanently disabled.

But they must be making that up, yeah? All part of the conspiracy.

Again, don’t you fucking dare assume you care more for your kids that I do for mine. Your idiocy I can handle, you’re not uncommon. Your smugness is ugly.

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I can’t believe you’re all talking to foresam. That ship has sailed.

There’s a fellow named Lonnie Zwaigenbaum who is identifying the younger sibs of autistic children in the early toddler years, between one and two years, with good reliability. A fair bit can be done to mitigate the effects of autism in the years before six, so early identification is useful.

For those who wonder about the increase in diagnosis for various neuropsychiatric disorders, consider that William Gull coined the term for anorexia nervosa as recently as 1868, and you can be damn sure there was plenty of it before then, if you look at recorded history and literature. The ability to diagnose mental illness in a culture depends on factors as divergent from the practice as politics and economics. If I had to answer the question, “Why?” I’d probably say, “Greater access to health care and public health education.”

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[QUOTE=Gorgonzola]
For those who wonder about the increase in diagnosis for various neuropsychiatric disorders, consider that William Gull coined the term for anorexia nervosa as recently as 1868, and you can be damn sure there was plenty of it before then, if you look at recorded history and literature. The ability to diagnose mental illness in a culture depends on factors as divergent from the practice as politics and economics. If I had to answer the question, “Why?” I’d probably say, “Greater access to health care and public health education.”
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Sorry for the hijack, but…William Gull? Not the same Jack the Ripper suspect doctor?

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From the Red Cross: "Thursday, March 10, 2005 — Deaths by measles have been cut almost in half over the last five years thanks in part to mass vaccination campaigns supported by the Measles Initiative. The World Health Organization (WHO) and the United Nations Children’s Fund announced March 3 that deaths have fallen by 39 percent between 1999 and 2003 from 873,000 to an estimated 530,000. "

There are still hundreds of thousands of measles deaths around the world annually. Those deaths can be prevented if we can get vaccines to those kids, and if their parents are not scared away from vaccination by fearmongering and bad science.

Said foresam in a previous thread:

According to foresam in this thread:

Care to explain how you’ve suddenly morphed into a full-fledged antivaxer? Should we blame mercury for these “toxic loads” you’re dropping on us?

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It is Conspiracy. One so vast, so well-organized that the lack of any proof is all the evidence you need.

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[QUOTE=Paul in Saudi]
It is Conspiracy. One so vast, so well-organized that the lack of any proof is all the evidence you need.
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Thank you so much for restoring my sense of humour. I feel much better now.

There wasn’t any mercury in that joke, was there? :eek:

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[QUOTE=Siam Sam]
Anti-vaccine folks in the US – and I guess elsewhere in the West; only heard about them in the US myself – appear very odd at best to Third World families who would kill to get their children vaccinated.
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Siam Sam

The ones in the US and Europe have never lost a kid to measles or mumps. and have no idea what it’s like to hear a kid coughing up their lungs from whooping cough. They are ignorant and happy in their ignorance and the only good thing to say for them is that with any luck they’ll contract fatal cases of the diseases they refuse to vaccinate against. My only regret for these people is that they either weren’t around or didn’t refuse the smallpox vaccination.

Testy

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I care much more for my kids than you do for yours. I care so much that I educated myself on the facts that asshole MD’s wouldn’t tell me about. They committed malpractice on my children by giving them 200 times as much mercury as is thought to be safe and the bastards continue to tell me there’s no known cause or cure for autism.

These jackasses didn’'t even know how much mercury was in those vaccines. They just took the word of the drug companies
and the idiotic public employees at the CDC who got their jobs by kissing some politicians ass. Once some people dug up the truth, our despicable medical profession simply tried to stonewall that truth to protect themselves from lawsuits and damage to their reputations. They know how to cure mercury poisoning but they refuse to help the children they poisoned with their negligence. I think there’s about 600 doctors associated with DAN who are not a bunch of assholes like their colleagues and are helping these poisoned kids.

The only idiot here is you. A few kids die from measles who live in squalid conditions and that’s a defense for unsafe vaccines? What the hell is wrong with you people? Vaccines have poisoned millions of children. Do you have any clue exactly how horrible autism is? The severe cases would be much better off dead. Sinjce I don’t advocate killing children, I think the humane thing to do is cure them. Anyone who takes sides against curing autism through their abject ignorance of how to go about it should be made to spend a few weeks caring for a few severely autistic children to fully understand the nightmare.

Now, if you have some manners and pay attention, I’ll teach the lot of you how to cure this doctor induced horror show.

[QUOTE=maggenpye]
All the doctors are lying, all the medical journals are backing them up - and the medical evidence that Chelation Therapy has the same net benefits as placebo treatment were made up.

People, thousands of children are at risk of ADD (or is it Autism, you seem to have jumped from one to the other Foresam) instead of cheerfully taking a couple of weeks off school for mumps, or Whooping Cough or Diptheria!

Oh, you had mumps and it only took a couple of weeks to get over it? Just as well it wasn’t measles http://www.irinnews.org/Report.aspx?ReportId=53506
And that 561 is just the deaths, not the long term ill, the permanently disabled.

But they must be making that up, yeah? All part of the conspiracy.

Again, don’t you fucking dare assume you care more for your kids that I do for mine. Your idiocy I can handle, you’re not uncommon. Your smugness is ugly.
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[QUOTE=Jackmannii]
…it’s incredible to me that someone could so blithely wish “a bit of suffering” on children who could be protected from blindness, disability and even death by vaccination.
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Incredible – brutal, even – and also very Anthroposophical. Arthur Allen describes the Anthroposophical rejection of vaccination in Vaccine, as well as in a previous article, Bucking the Herd. Anthroposophy guru Rudolf Steiner taught that disease is karmic compensation for demonically-provoked human error, and that it is an essential stage in the process of soul-purification and soul-evolution – a physical experience that enables the soul to open to spiritual experiences. Here’s from a lecture he gave in 1917 or thereabouts.

According to Anthroposophical M.D. Michaela Glockler:

Here’s a scary tale from a mom who adopted the “sick is good” philosophy espoused by zealous Anthroposophist and anti-vaccinationist Dr. Philip Incao. And here’s a snarky memoir from someone who could have been her son.

[QUOTE=Jackmannii]
In their view, viruses are harmless or even beneficial unless they are present in a deactivated state in vaccines.
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Oh, but they’re cute when they’re stuffed. Here’s chicken pox, pertussis and polio.

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[QUOTE=overlyverbose]

Sarahfeena, I’m with you on this one. That woman sounds like a moron. I can’t believe she’d expect everyone else to vaccinate their children just so her unvaccinated kid can avoid infection. While she’s at it, maybe she should require that they put all the other kids into plastic bubbles as an additional preventive method. If it inhibits their development, well, at least her kid will look ahead of the curve. :rolleyes:
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Maybe this idiot could just pull a condom down over her head to prevent her from transmitting her woolly-headed ideas to the general populace. Call it prophylactic mental hygiene.

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[QUOTE=foresam]
Now, if you have some manners and pay attention, I’ll teach the lot of you how to cure this doctor induced horror show.
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Why am I guessing this will involve hookworms?

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Imagine a message board full of foresams. You now understand what I was talking about earlier.

Regards,
Shodan

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[QUOTE=Siam Sam]
Maybe foresam can team up with that oddball hookworm-therapy advocate who was on here a short while ago and open a clinic.
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Hey, the hookwork stuff could work. Maybe. That’s the difference.