The Batman bit could be great.
There’s a scene in Matt Wagner’s ‘Trinity’ where Batman, having met Superman and Wonder Woman, is in a sub when a blond guy in orange chainmail swins up to the sub and then away. No dialog, no nothing.
Batman: “This is getting out of hand.”
Bats should/could resent the meta-humans. They’re a disruptive element in his deep-seated desire for an orderly world.
Exactly, the kangas tie it all together. Plus, the notion of her charging Superman on a kangaroo waving a magic sword is poster-ready right there.
Plus, imagine the scene where she holds it to his throat and he laughs…until the pain hits and the trickle of blood starts…
I like this idea. It lets you link the two without making Wonder Woman’s backstory subservient to Superman’s.
I had not heard that. 2007 would put it 2 years after Batman Begins and a year after Superman Returns. It would have been worked on at the same time as Superman, maybe Batman as well. Did nobody there see to seeding those movies with references to each other, a quick cameo, something? Though Batman turned out well so I suppose that we should be grateful we didn’t see Superman zipping around at the end of Batman Begins and the tease be subsequently dropped after Superman failed at the theaters
I think you’re right in a way. Wonder Woman is probably one of the most recognizable female superheroes. You show someone a picture of Wonder Woman and ask them who it is and I bet they’ll be able to answer correctly. What do they know about WW? Do they know her secret identity? What’s her origin? Can you name any of her arch villains? What are her powers? She’s not an entirely unknown quantity but there’s a lot about her that’s unknown to anyone who isn’t a comic book fan.
Although to be fair the same could have been said about Green Lantern but they made a crappy movie about him.
They were actually going to go with the totally confusing approach of leaving them unconnected to Batman Begins or Superman Returns. Armie Hammer was cast as Justice League Batman even while The Dark Knight was still being filmed with Bale. And I forget who was cast as Superman, but it wasn’t the Superman Returns guy.
And keeping in the spirit of the thread, Megan Gale was cast as Wonder Woman.
The problem with making Wonder Woman’s and the Amazons’ backstory to be Kryptonian remnants, is that it removes her from her own unique context, and slots her into Superman’s context. This might be fine if she is to be relegated as a backup character in Superman/JSA stories (as Black Widow seems to be with Captain America/Iron Man/Avengers).
But if Wonder Woman is to headline her own movies, they’ll need the context from the comics to base those on – and, frankly, the only comics context that has had any legs with WW has been based on the Greek gods. Ares and Circe are her most prominent nemeses. The rest of her rogues’ gallery are nonstarters (Cheetah? plz). Without her Greek myth derived backstory, the opposition in any movie featuring Wonder Woman is going to be… Kryptonian-derived, too? Why wouldn’t that just be another Superman movie? Or Supergirl?
Leaving Wonder Woman her mythic background allows her character to be severed from JSA for movies with her own context. And DC is really missing an opportunity if they don’t take that option. (Which is why I suspect they’re going with the Kryptonian-at-remove origin, in keeping with their general cluelessness thus far.)
I still like my Hercules idea, because Herc does have some mythological interaction with the Amazons, and making Herc a big raping (it’s a family film!!!) lunkhead would be a subtle dig at the Marvel character like Gaiman did with Thor.
And re: Dr. Strange…I’m still amazed Marvel is putting Rocket Racoon on the big screen before Doc.
Question: Are Spidey and X-Men ever going to revert back to Marvel? Think of a Wolverine-Spidey movie or X-Men/Avengers movie.
That is a terrible idea. Not only is it petty and makes you look petty, it also serves to remind the audience of that other, better comic book movie franchise. Unless you know that your movie is going to be better than theirs, all you’d do is create an example of your blind overconfidence for people to laugh at for years to come.
Petty? It’s in the GD myth. Was Critically acclaimed Neil Gaiman being petty?
If you think rape will be even mentioned in a Wonder Woman film, you’ve misjudged the target audience as greatly as Evil Captor ('cept his comments were more tongue-in-cheek) (I shall not comment on which cheek looks innocent).
Doctor Strange has long been a fringe mainstay of the Marvel Universe; his comic does not sell near in the same league as Captain America or Iron Man or Thor (when he even has a comic of his own). Guardians of the Galaxy, on the other hand, are at the heart of all the recent cosmic MU activity, some of which sold like gangbusters, and the rest of which had solid sales. Which is why Rocket Raccoon is showing up first.
As someone pointed out in one of the many earlier DC/Marvel movie threads, if Marvel had the rights to Wolverine and/or Spider-Man, we probably wouldn’t have gotten the movies we did. I’m glad they off the table; I’m frankly bored as hell by them now – I still haven’t seen the latest Spider-Man movie, because the thought of setting through that origin story yet again makes pounding nails into my hand look more attractive as a better use of my time.
Okay, Egg Fu II was cool. But also, Morrison. Alas, even he says he doesn’t know what to do with Wonder Woman, or I’d answer this thread by just throwing money at him until he came up with something like All-Star Superman to raid for movie ideas.
Ha!
Wonder Woman! R Rated! Directed by Zack Snyder! In slow sienna-tinted ‘300’ style!
“And lo did the Half-breed bastard son of Zeus lay waste our land and our women.”
And by the way, I want to remind people that WW is a warrior, a pragmatist and has never been afraid to kill if she has to. All that hand-wringing (Especially by the common citizenry*) over her snapping Maxwell Lord’s neck was way overblown.
*In fact, I’m sure the citizens of Gotham said, “Can we trade you Batman?”
Not bad … this actually has the best opening dynamic structure logic and compelling storyline in this thread so so far. A Superman - Wonder Woman team up refocuses and solves a lot of issues they have as stand alones in playing off each other. He can go lighter (with some humor) in contrast to her intense warrior personality, she can school him on fighting and maybe introduce him to some of her fellow deities for more interesting interactions. She can be crude and brutal while he has more delicate moral sensibilities.
He’s vulnerable to magic so there’s some skin in the game for him danger-wise. If they can get actors for the parts who have some personal chemistry there may even be the potential to have an undercurrent of mutual attraction.
I like it!
Save your money. He’s already working on it.
Also re the intro it ties in smoothly with the Superman portion of the DC universe in a way that makes sense.
As a side note it would be fun to have Batman for some screentime in this in whatever menace they all team up to fight. He’s very attracted to her efficient warrior spirit, but she’s oblivious to his charms won’t give him the time of day and so lady killer Bruce Wayne / Batman keeps getting shut down. How he reacts to that or deals with it might be amusing and/or interesting.
Do you know the tense of the word “has”?
OK, less snarkily - I wasn’t saying he’s never going to show up - it’s already been stated he’s part of “Phase 3” of the MCU, whatever that is. But he’s not being cast in any of the current scheduled movies - I see this as much more like the way Beast got a passing mention in the first X-Men movie (or all the other mutants listed on a screen that Mystique briefly reads in the same) or the like. Do you think we’re going to see him *doing magic *in CA:TWS ? No? Then we can’t say how Marvel intends to address his powers.
Personally, I’m all for there being outright magic in the MCU, don’t get me wrong. I’m just saying how it looks like they’re doing things up to now.
“Same way Thor calls down lightning.”
“Fair enough. How about changing your appearance at will?”
“Just like Loki.”
“Oh, right.”
“I can also do his create-illusionary-duplicates trick.”
“And his mind-control stunts?”
“Naturally.”
“Well, we’ve already granted that those are all science.”
“I also make forcefields and portals to elsewhere, à la the Tesseract.”
“You’re boring me with all this tech talk, Strange.”
