same question to you. Did she kill anyone? Did she own slaves? Did she issue any fatwas? did she punish anyone for leaving a religion?
I’ll research her and answer your question when you answer mine about Mohammad. If we’re nailing people to a cross lets get to the root of the problem.
What a person who lived over 1400 years ago has to do with Tunis in 2015 or the hateful bigot and well known extremist racist Geller is puzzling. Doubtless because I am muslim it is thought that insulting the Prophet is a nice gambit to troll me, but since I am not practicing at all, I am just amused by sad gambit undertaken out of prejudice.
If you could have explained it to the terrorists beforehand that would have been swell. If you find the practices of Mohammad insulting that’s your issue. It goes a long way to explain the crazy behavior over cartoons/movies and aligns with the mindset that people who leave the religion should be punished.
Sad.
Maybe if they banned the fantasy based extremist organizations in the USA and their fantasies around the guns we would see the USA invading less places and starting less wars of aggression, it might reduce the violent cowboy ideology.
voilia, interesting way to think, this illogic
Irrelevant to your claim when you cited her to"prove" Islam was forcing all Muslim women into restrictive dress.
So you have no independent confirmation of her claims and are going to go haring off on one of your “Let’s bash Mohammed” rants to avoid addressing your claims.
Noted.
Your persistent efforts to blame Islam and Mohammed for all problems precludes you from recognizing the root of any problem. Not a big deal.
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You’ve been on the Dope for more than ten years, discussed Islam in I don’t know how many threads and you still have utterly no idea what a fatwa is do you?
It’s merely an answer to a question given by a someone considered a religious scholar. Most are frankly rather boring but sometimes you can get some interesting ones.
I don’t know if it’s still up, but the Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani had a whole pile up on his website up responding to readers and I used to get a kick out of reading them and shocking co-workers and friends who tended to have this impression of Arabs been these prudish, repressed. people.
I remember one in which a housewife in Baghdad asked a question that I doubt few Catholic priests or Rabbis have been asked. She asked if, too show her appreciation and love for her husband, could she give her husband a blowjob. I suspect that most Anglican ministers or Reform Rabbis would have turned several shades of pink and ran away as quick as they could, but Sistani merely replied “Yes, so long as no fluid enters the mouth, it is permissible”.
He was also another time asked a question by a man away from his wife, quite lonely, and who said he was terrified he’d wind up cheating on his wife if he was not allowed to, as the kids like to say, “spank his monkey” and if that would be okay. Sistani’s reply, paraphrased was, “Yes, you can choke your cobra if doing so will help you avoid engaging in adultery and remain faithful to your wife.”
Not all fatwas are “SLAUGHTER THE UNBELIEVERS! KILL THEM WHEREVER YOU SEE THEM! ARRRRGGGGHHHHHH, AIIIIIII!!!”
Whereas no one on beaches in Muslim countries wears bikinis.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3189/3081464507_b9ff23f739.jpg
I have no idea where you’re getting this.
MY point is that rape is not the worst of all possible fates. We need to get away from that notion. Now, that said, it’s still a terrible thing to happen to a person. Being sexually molested/assaulted is also bad, but it’s not as bad as, say, slowly choking to death on poison gas while watching your children do the same, or having your limbs blown off, or being deliberately starved to death, all things which have been happening in Syria the last couple years which is why something like 2 million people have risked death by drowning and various other bad things in order to get the hell away from Syria. That would include some people who are criminals because criminals don’t like poison gas, IED’s, and starvation either.
It’s the usual practice of “othering” the bad guys - oh, it’s not OUR people doing it, it’s those foreigners! Oh, wait, our air force molested people? Well, they’re military, that’s the reason! Basically, anything to distance the speaker from the criminal element, as if sharing some random trait with a criminal makes one also a criminal, rather than whether or not one is engaging in criminal behavior.
^ This.
It’s not unusual for refugees fleeing a war zone to be disproportionately male for the simple reason that men are stronger than women and are less likely to be targeted by other men (which is not to say men are never targets, just less often than women). Even more extreme than the current wave entering Europe from the MENA, of the 4000 Sudanese refugees taken into the US in 2000 only 89 were women. Why? In Sudan women are more likely to either be killed or taken captive/sold into slavery than the men are, with the result there are many fewer girls/women escaping the region than boys/men.
I’m not certain of all the obstacles faced by the MENA refugees at present, but there may well be factors skewing the demographics.
Uh, yeah, why bar them from permanent settlement? The US has done pretty well with accepting refugees under the assumption they’ll become citizens, not just permanent residents. Not all do, and we have to deal with some that turn out to be criminals, but honestly, very few refugees and asylum seekers ever managed to go “home” again, they need to be able to make a new life and a future for themselves.
Jordan has the ability to house the refugees. They don’t necessarily have the funds. Send them to Jordan and help with their care. It keeps them closer to home. That provides a better option to reintegrate them back to their homeland.
Ok, I nearly pissed myself laughing at this.
Jordan already has huge numbers of refugees.
You do realize that roughly 60% of their population are Palestinians don’t you?
If not, perhaps you should do more research before making such comments.
Hey, a fellow misandrist. Is there a secret handshake or something?
One interesting angle to this is how many people are saying the West should only accept women and children refugees. Basically admitting men are degenerate.
you’re probably right that they would turn various shades of red but then we differ on the definition. I would describe it as foreplay.
Good examples of the range of fatwas. Yes I think most of us are aware of them as this is the age of the internet. And as usual these discussions portray everything at it’s furthest point and are thus taken to represent the entire discussion.
But I was referring to the fatwas regarding blasphemy. I shouldn’t have to spell it out each time I use the word because (as you’ve pointed out) this is not the first discussion of the subject. It should be understood that is what I’m referring to.
It is a reality of the religion. At this point in history we have a conundrum with Islam. A better than 50% majority of it’s practitioners aren’t living on the corner of Crazy and Caliphate Street. However there are a significant number of those who subscribe to an extremely violent version as to how it should be practiced. And due to the rather flat structure of the religion there is no easy way for a Martin Luther event to occur to realign the religion into a more cohesive element.
It’s rather difficult for those who prefer the peaceful side of the street to dictate terms to the crazy side. It’s more difficult when you live in another neighborhood entirely.
Weeeeelllllll, some of us are degenerate, especially when we’ve been drinking.
So, now that this thread has gone on for six pages, can we go back to the real reason this occurred? There was a bunch of hicks from the sticks, first time away from Mommy, all liquored up. A frat party writ large. Or Halloween at Southern Illinois University writ not particularly large. Not a 9/11. Not exclusive to Muslims. Just “boys will be boys, so keep the water cannon and tear gas handy.” Had this been a repeat of Cologne’s football hooligan and neo-Nazi riot nobody in the US would’ve heard of it.
yes I do. Which means there has always been a Palestine. It just has a different name.
But as you know they already house Syrians there in the Zaatari refugee camp.
Huh?
You think a woman asking a religious scholar if blow jobs are allowed constitutes foreplay?
With all due respect and let me double down and make it clear that no insult is intended, but have you ever had sex with a woman? :dubious:
I ask because I genuinely can not see how a woman sending an e-mail to an Iraqi version of “Dear Abbey” could be viewed as foreplay.
Perhaps you can enlighten me.
Then your post is truly bizarre.
Perhaps you could explain.
Are you attempting to be profound?
Nah, just admitting it’s a safer bet.
:smack: No the act as described by Sistani is foreplay in my book. If you want to start a discussion of what constitutes a BJ then feel free to start a thread on it. I think it’s been done before. I’m not going to argue over it.
The ass covering, imo, is almost as bad. But it was for political reasons not pure laziness.
