For the umpteenth time, why does “Christian” violence negate “Islamic” violence?
Well, whenever you claim that Mohammed is the source of all evils, I note that for 1400 years your claims have not actually occurred the way you want them to have occurred to support your belief. When I do, you claim that you are not interested in history, only what is happening today. So, basically, you have the odd belief that a guy 1400 years ago made some statements and did some things that were pretty much ignored up until the last two deaceds, but he is responsible for all your fears.
I would imagine ISIS, Hezbollah, Hamas, Al-Qaeda/Al-Qaeda in Iraq, the Taliban, and Boko Haram would also qualify.
Cite? You regularly claim that other posters have made these sorts of statements, but you fail to provide citations, even when asked for them as I am doing now.
It’s such a common feature of your posts that when I see the words “all” or “every” in them I assume that your paraphrasing is grossly mistaken.
You might consider that your arguments lack merit when such srawman building has become a staple of your defense of them.
But my dear Ryan, you promised me “50 or so”. After what appears to be a few hours of research you’ve managed to find one, from back in the 90s. Do I wait for the other 49, or are you just going to acknowledge that actually that was complete supposition on your part.
And let’s talk about the House of Saud, shall we.
Starter for 10. Which nation declared Ibn Saud’s territories to be a protectorate, thus allowing him to remove all of his rivals and consolidate his control over the peninsula, and actually declare his lands to be the Kingdom of Saudi? I’ll give you a clue, that’d be the Brits. And yes, we knew back then the Sauds were Wahhabists, and particularly regressive ones at that, but we didn’t care as long as they played the game.
And which two nations then went on to further support the Saud family for the next 40 years, helping them to overcome a number of power struggles and challenges, and also to keep the more moderate adherents of Islan well and truly screwed? Why that would be Britain, and then America. The latter particularly bent over backwards to assist, in exchange for access via Aramco to oil rights.
And which nations have consistently supported this bunch of hardcore Islamist extremists for the last 60 years, to ensure access to Ghawar and try to avoid nasty price fluctuations? Why that would be pretty much every first world country.
So want to tell me again how Saudi Arabia is a problem caused by Islam?
And by the way, there really is an obvious example of a massively wealthy, ostensibly Christian nation with a track record of supporting all manner of terrorist organisations, dodgy governments and other very questionable groups of people. But as mentioned a few times, for some reason it’s not terrorism if the US does it, it’s realpolitik.
Or imagine a US frat party on a Friday night. Despite being as sexed-up as a culture can get, alcohol fueled crowds of young people still turn sexually predatory with depressing frequency.
Mob behavior is a well documented phenomenon. When people feel anonymous in a crowd, a few instigators can quickly induce people to do things that go against their judgement. And with alcohol involved, there may not be a lot of judgement there to begin with. It looks to me like an existing pick pocketing gang was able to do just that. It’s not an excuse- the criminals should be thrown in jail. But it’s not some crazy thing that only happens to Muslims.
Muslims are not sex-crazed aliens. They have sex. They watch TV. Muslim cities have brothels and pick up spots and affairs. I’m pretty sure most Muslim women do not regularly wear hijab, and even in countries where it is common, there are still plenty of people who don’t (outside of the three countries where it is required). Some of these women are even blonde! Unless you are in Saudi Arabia, Muslim women can and do go out and about independently. The teachings you describe are fringe interpretations. It’s not the experience for the average Muslim (whatever that is).
Do you think, even sven, that it’s inappropriate for Germany and Europe in general to rethink their very open policy wrt refugees over these incidents?
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Germany and Europe are free to rethink whatever they want. I don’t think this particular incident says as much about refugees as it does about the importance of crowd control, but that’s a little tangential.
In the long run, I think a refugee that successfully resettles in a third country is less likely to be an ongoing problem (read: terror risk) than the same refugee warehoused in a camp for a decade or trapped in a failed state. And I’m not at all convinced there is something special about Muslims that makes it impossible for them to integrate.
But it won’t be easy, and we are still very much in the “immediate emergency” side of things. This isn’t a situation with good solutions or known outcomes. It’s going to take time to phase out of this current global dynamic, and there is unfortunate probably going to be a lot of violence in the meantime- just like there was a lot of violence while Communism had its run as the cause of terror. I hope I’m wrong about that, but I don’t think I will be.
This is absolutely false, and the evidence to prove it has been presented enough times on this board, in threads about Islam, that every regular poster should be fully aware of it by now.
There are large, widespread, secular minorities opposed to the interpretations in question, yes. But to claim they are fringe is way off the mark.
I just gave you another seven.
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How many frat parties do you think would need to be thrown before a thousand frat boys sexually assaulted and raped over a hundred women that we know about?. Whatever the answer, how long do you think it would be before the usual crowd of feminist activists and bloggers broke the internet with reams of furious condemnations? Five minutes? Ten?
That doesn’t ring too true to me. Crowd control isn’t some unexplored concept in Europe and I haven’t heard anything that indicates these NYE celebrations were particularly larger than previous years. It’s also a cop out. Of course they are free to rethink things without your permission. I asked if you thought it was inappropriate.
And I don’t think we are talking about terrorism here. It’s more an integration issue.
I do think we can look at France as an example of attempted Muslim integration into a Western European country. The French state has had it’s Islamic population for quite some time now. At least enough time for the majority of it['s Muslim population to be considered 2nd or 3rd generation French. The results have so far been problematic. This in itself does not refute your post but it does paint a more pessimistic scenario for Germany.
If terrorism is primarily the blowback from Western imperialism then there should be a deluge of terrorists from Latin America, Asia, and sub-Saharan Africa.
Germany itself hasn’t really been awesome with integrating it’s large Turkish immigrant population either so to be honest I’m baffled why Merkel et al were so confident about all the free population/workers they were getting out of the refugee crisis.
And the terrorists emanating from the Middle East and South Asia should disproportionately come from those most brutally victimized: Christians, Yazidis, Hazara, Ahmadi, and Kurds.
Who is doing this?
Seriously, who in this thread said that? The closest I came to was stating that getting your tits and ass grabbed, and fingers in orifices, while definitely a horrible and invasive assault, is not the worst of all possible fates, there are far worse things that can and have occurred. Of course, this was immediately twisted around to the notion that I am somehow minimizing what happened - no, I’m not. It’s that goddamned tendency people have to view the world in a binary fashion holding all crimes equal. No, they’re not. There are bad things and worse things.
Actually, the current wave didn’t wait to be invited, they just sort of showed up. Merkel invited them to Germany, but they were already in Europe at the time.
Do we have a smiley of someone banging their head against a wall? Because that’s how I feel sometimes.
My statement HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL.
^ This.
Again - this has NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL.
Read some of the pre-WWII propaganda on Jews - you know, before the modern state of Israel existed. They speak of the “Jewish race”. Even more so during WWII, when having just one Jewish grandparent could get you a yellow Star of David on your shirt, a one-way ticket to a camp, and your arm tattooed with your very own number, unless they simply sent you straight to the “showers”…
There most definitely are a group of bigots who comprehend the difference between “Jew” and “Israeli” but nonetheless view Jews as a separate race.
It has to do with TM not being Jewish and having a very shallow understanding of anti-Jew bigotry.
You think that most Muslims think slavery is ok?