You have no cites refuting the truth of anything I say. I am against a culture with values represented in Sharia law, you want to label me as ignorant and anti-Islamic go right on ahead. You can cure my ignorance with reliable cites; but of course that is oh so much trouble and effort to do.
Culture has many aspects and subtleties I agree, which is why I use the legal code to base my opinions on; the legal code being the most solid, enforceable, and tangible aspect of any culture.
I’m sorry, but did you actually say that people voluntarily leaving their home country had it WORSE than a woman who was raped??
I do not understand this response. There is no statement about okay about military rapes.
but there is the demonstration that the supposed unique cultural problem as some have asserted directly or hinted indirectly is a false one and Broomstick is right.
the repetition of an organized use of rape and suggestion of rape in the american military repeated again and again over many decades demonstates the hyprocrisy of the cultural claims (and these are used because the full documentation is easily found and cited)
How can a non thing be cited?
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this is again like saying “I am against a culture with values represented in the Christian law.” This later statement is a stupid, ignorant and is generally a bigoted one that makes no sense since the christian practices and even the interpretations vary greatly.
And we can see easily it demonstrates nothing very much otherwise the repeated organized use of rape - abuse organized and applied in different instances each repated over many occasions and year - in your military would not have occured at all.
You make a claim of some fundamental cultural driver difference, and use law as a proof, but we easily see in one of the most controlled of your country and culture’s environements, there is repeated abuse of women, organized abuse - and incidents repated over decades again and again.
Well, I don’t think it’s unique. The military definitely has misogyny and patriarchal problems. So? This isn’t a thread about that.
No it is a thread about incidents at the New Years in Cologne, but then you have not objected to people trying to make this about all of the islamic culture or arab or “middle eastern” either.
If it is about only the young hoodlums - very possibly immigrant and faux asylum seekers pretending to be the Syrian refugees - then super, we can talk about these specific persons.
She’s from France and her English is vastly better than my French.
Unfair abuse and treatment of anyone -women, men gays, minorities etc. is bad. Such unfairness codified into law is worse. I believe Western culture, having the laws it does is far more along in fair treatment of all people than Islamic culture. Your conflation of Western culture with Christianity is just silly; for one thing Sharia law demands that one become Muslim in order to have full rights, for the most part the US has had separation of church and state and has no religious requirement for equal treatment period.
I think we’re just talking past one another, and I’m not finding myself becoming more enlightened or less ignorant by being called bigoted.
Her English is vastly better than my French, too. That’s why I don’t post on French language message boards.
Then one must quote law codes and not the uncodified relgious precepts.
to not be a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group one compares like things to like, not apples to potatoes.
no it is not silly.
I do no such thing, I draw the comparison to highlight the ignorance and to compare** like to like.**
It is the ignorant confusion of the idea of ‘sharia law’ (which is not one body of interpretation and not one body of code, in fact it is not legal code outside of the Saudi example) with the idea of law codes, the actual written law codes enforced by the actual courts.
You are clearly under the confused idea that
Neither is true.
Excellent assertion, what does this have to do the **Law Codes **of the region?
And this observation has what relevance to the Syrian or the Moroccan immigrant, whose law codes are based (since almost 100 years now) on the French Code Civil with some tweakings on the family code to have alignments with religious family law precepts (according to the religion)?
(or what relevance to the ***European ***situation which in many many cases has not the American separation of the church and the state)
Or do we see again the gross ignorance and confusion ???
Ok. You win. I am so ignorant. Muslim culture has nothing to do with Sharia law, they love the gays, women have it great, there is really no difference in how their culture treats non-muslims.
I am sorry to have tainted your day with my bigotry.
The fact that the men were “heavily intoxicated” suggests they’re not terribly devout Muslims.
More like drunk, young punks, most of whom were probably virgins and sexual frustration, drunkeness and groups of angry, young men is a bad combination.
All witnesses and all police reports agree 100 % that the attackers were exclusively of North African or Middle Eastern origin. You can rest assured that if any suspect looked like Hans or Franz or Ivan or Boris, this would have been reported to the public by the police and by politicians with great relief.
As I wrote earlier, there now are signs that these people were in fact mainly what are called “pseudo-Syrians”, i. e. individuals from Morocco who pretended to be Syrian (or Iraqi) refugees, see for instance this article (in German):
And the virigin part (i. e. the North Africans being virgins) is quite possibly true, according to the article.
Thank Allah.
There for a moment I was worried.
Has there been a reliable breakdown on the makeup of the refugees? I recall one statistic that said its about 80% young men, if so this is a problem in itself leaving aside any other issues about relgion or culture.
I recall reading about a mining town in South Africa which set up areas for miners to live in, as the workers were almost entirely young men these areas were also almost entirely full of young men. The police and authorities had problems keeping a lid on them due to the horrendous crime rate, violent and otherwise, no solution seemed to work until someone had the bright idea to let the families of the workers live with them.
The crime rate plummeted basically overnight.
The same thing might occur (have already occurred?) with the current immigration policies and it would be a good idea for this and other reasons why European countries should be more selective who they let in.
So because in the past ten years some parts of the Western culture (i.e. in some of the younger population ) has come to accept gays, it is suddenly another point to attack the Muslims over?
It is again a hypocrisy.
The fact you make sweeping assertions but did not know in fact know what the actual legal codes are makes my point
it is not that the cultures from the region being perfect, it is the exagerated and confused ideas about them.
very nice, however much of the northern part of the Morocco where many immigrants come from do not look any different from Spanish or southern French, as you can see of the wife of the King of Morocco, Lalla Salma - who is from a ‘pure’ Moroccan family and has a typical Riffi look.
but I do not doubt in fact the crowd was dominated by Harraga.
I think it makes sense these were low class idiots from the country side -the typical profile of the Hraga.
They should be imprisoned and then deported.
Thank christ.
This cracks me up!