Seriously? Now your telling someone they shouldn’t be here because they aren’t native English speakers? The heck?
Foreign-born criminals are a big, big issue in Germany but there are absolutely no problems with individuals from Spain or France.
Yes, I am sure no Spanish has ever committed a drunken rape in Germany. ever.
I would say: That is indeed the case. And if you think otherwise: Prove it!
I already cited that it was a majority of those arrested.
I will provide primary sources, rulings and assessments by international bodies and organizations which will show clearly the foundation upon which my previous posts rest.
I will also establish how the law is indistinguishable from Muslim values as well as how these values are not considered compatible with modern human rights, and why they would be unlikely to change drastically.
This will take time to compile, so it probably will not be up until sometime tomorrow.
When you show the actual specific laws and compare the like to the like, super. Until then, i find ginorance and prejudiuced assertions sad.
of course since there is not a single set of muslim values, any more than there is a single set of christian ones, this is very silly as an objective, but voila, so it is with those who have prejudices against others.
the majority are not from the middle east, no matter the geographic confusion you have.
But keep in mind that the claim of these people to be Syrians could be fraudulent. I’m especially sceptical with regards to the alleged Iranians. Iranians are one group of foreigners in Germany that causes comparatively little trouble.
The big, big problem is the fact that Germany has almost no control about who enters the country; nobody checks their identity. That’s Angela Merkel’s colossal blunder. In fact, it is utter madness.
But how often has a group of several thousand Spanish men committed rape in Germany?
This is one of those stories where it’s fascinating to look at discussions all over the political spectrum to see how differently it’s handled. So far I see cognitive dissonance, circular firing squad levels of infighting, and Ramira-style defense on the lefty sites and congratulations and back patting on the right (can’t stump the Trump). The right has a sort of “what did you expect?” attitude along with a hope this will finally lead to a liberal backlash. It’s almost like some European authorities are going out of their way to make the populace more nationalistic and right wing, though I’m sure Hanlon’s razor works here.
Speaking of the right, where are the groups of right wingers on the ground? You know, to protect “their” women. They always talk a big game on the internet, but they don’t do crap. If this isn’t a one off incident, maybe street fighting is in the future if the police can’t or won’t do anything. Could lead to some fun Live Leak videos.
I’m old enough to remember when it was perfectly legal in America to pay a woman less for doing exactly the same work as a man. It’s debatable if even now men and women are truly treated equally by society, and they certainly weren’t when I was a child. We shouldn’t get on too high a horse about how egalitarian we are when it’s been less than a human lifetime and far from perfect.
You’re posing this as either 100% tolerant or 100% intolerant. Sorry, that’s not my world. I have various degrees of loathing, in that I find some things more repugnant than others.
The mere fact that people are saying “the immigrants are tribal” as if they were all identical in outlook is in itself a sign of bigotry. Name any MENA country and you’ll find a range of opinions, outlooks, customs, and desire to either remain the same or change. Even before the current crisis a certain number of people were choosing to leave the MENA region and go to Europe or the Americans because they liked things better there, or at least hoped to do so.
Yes, there are criminal elements in the wave of humanity that entered Europe this year - that was inevitable given just the sheer numbers of people. It wasn’t a surprise to me. And yes, some of these people come from a society where this sort of conduct is less likely to be punished… which is why they should be taught differently by the German authorities and court system.
But here in the West we have sub-cultures that are just as tribal, just as degrading to women, and just as repugnant as anything you could find in the MENA. I’m saying let’s not pretend otherwise. Women were raped before all these Syrians arrived, and quite a few of those rapes were perpetrated by men of purely German descent. Where is the outrage about that?
As often as anything - never as it has not happened. but dozens maybe hundred of Harragine, quite posibly it has now happened once. And they should be punished and deported.
I am simply not impressed by the eye witness statements as they are. I do not doubt it was the Harraga but the statements are not impressive to me as such
what defense? I do not defend the rapists, these Harraga.
I am sure many are, and in fact are harraga.
The Spanish in Germany are a model minority, or maybe I should say: It isn’t even an issue. That’s especially the case for a city like Cologne which is traditionally Catholic (Das heilige Köln, holy Cologne), so they fit right in.
No, the problem is MEN. Specially, a sub-set of men without an ethnic qualifier.
This conduct is not unique to the MENA. It’s not unique to Europe or anywhere else. There is a certain percentage of men who will do these things if they think they can get away with it, and that cuts across all ethnic and class lines. It shows up in women getting molested on the Japanese train system or at Tailhook meetings or a lot of other instances that could be named.
On the flip side, there is also a sub-set of men who would not do this, regardless of whether or not they can get away with it. Men are not all identical, either.
The attacks that took place on June 11, 2000 in New York City were perpetrated by men of a solidly western background.
Exactely.
Let me tell you one thing. What happened one week ago is Germany’s 9/11. No deaths, but the psychological impact. I am no spring chicken any more and I haven’t experienced anything like this in my lifetime and almost everyone I have talked to in the last few days agrees, including people who lived through WWII. This is no joke. If I were a policy planner in Washington and contemplating about Europe’s future in, say, 10, 20 or 30 years, I would be scared shitless.
Mark my words.
Define “voluntary”.
My relatives “voluntarily” left Europe early in the 20th Century in the sense they weren’t tied up and chained in the hold of a ship for the passage, but those who did not come to the US were slaughtered and no longer exist.
The refugees are not a homogeneous group, not, not even those coming from the same nation or even city. Some will have suffered horrific abuse. Some will have left before they fell victim to horrific abuse.
Yes, some of the women coming out of the MENA who saw their adult male relatives slaughtered in front of them, were raped, and were separated from their children who were then sold into slavery have it worse than the women in Cologne on New Year’s Eve. That does NOT make what happened in Cologne in any way OK - it’s not. It’s terrible. The reality is, though, that even worse things than being groped, mugged, and possibly raped exist.
Scared of what exactly? What do you think is going to happen?