OK to be gay?

Also, while I won’t speculate on the validity (or rather the sexual mechanics) of the marriages of certain rumored to be gay current stars as there is nothing but rumor and conjecture, studios and publicists DEFINITELY still arrange beards (on the off-chance that any aren’t familiar with the term, a beard is a “straight date” or member of the opposite sex who poses, knowingly or un, as the apparent heterosexual love interest of a gay man [e.g. Phyllis Gates was the “beard wife” of Rock Hudson]; the equivalent for a lesbian is called a merkin [don’t ask me why] or a bonnet) for gay stars.

Chad Allen, who was outed by The Globe in such a way that he could not deny (very moderately unwork safe- gay but no nudity) not only attended events with starlets arranged by his publicists and management but before his outing tabloids even had stories about his great love for this or that actress and how they were talking marriage or at least moving in together. Richard Chamberlain (for whom I have enormous contempt) was attending premieres with starlets half his age as recently as the late 1990s while his lover of 20 years patiently waited at home [hopefully socking away some of the silver]) and even the far from leading-man Nathan Lane mentioned that he was advised to refer to gender flip when telling a funny story about something he did with his boyfriend on a talk show (he refused, though he did change it from a boyfriend to just “friend”).

Nathan Lane, incidentally, is probably the closest to an openly gay man playing a straight lead in a motion picture, but Max Bialystok was not a romantic lead- he was a comic character. Anthony Rapp reprised the role of (straight nebbish) Mark in RENT, but a) nobody that homophobic would go see RENT you woudln’t think {though I had a bad experience in the theater} and 2) he’s not well known enough for most people to know or care who makes his putter flutter and 3) he didn’t have a sex scene or even kiss in the movie.
Why I can’t stand Richard Chamberlain: Chamberlain is a very very rich man. He inherited a fortune from his parents, he made a fortune from the 1960s on and was in fact the only actor on TV miniseries to earn movie-star type salaries in the 1980s. The reason I bring up his wealth is because had his career been destroyed by coming out, he never would have missed a meal or a vacation and would still be driving Porsches (or whatever) when he’s 90 if he so desired.
This in mind, he not only did not come out when he was still “big” careerwise, he actively denied being gay. (Something happened, it’s not clear what, in France in 1989- he came out in a magazine interview, but then quickly recanted: explanations I’ve heard are that he was drunk and panicked when he sobered, or that he was talking off the record to the gay journalist and the journalist included it in the interview, or that he was in a moment of clarity and then it fogged again, but whatever it was he was soon back on the Hollywood paparazzi scene with starlets on his arm.)
Now, if Richard Chamberlain had come out even in the late 1980s when he was still getting big roles on TV and AIDS was so feared that people wouldn’t drink from public water fountains and there was not a minute fraction of gay exposure in popular media that there is now, this would have been HUGE. It would have helped with people’s perception of gays (“John Blackthorne and that Thornbirds priest were queer?”) and given gay kids a role model or whatever, and if it destroyed his career he could go back to his mansion or do theater and arthouse or just be Norman Desmond. Instead, he gave that “whatever the hell happened interview” and recanted (and even had he recanted the recanting it would have been good) and waits through the 90s as he becomes more and more of a has-been, then waits until 2003 when he’s 70 and most 20 somethings don’t know who the hell he was and the best roles he’s getting are as an old English woman on The Drew Carey Show or supporting roles in “ho hum” movies of the week and more celebrities are openly gay than ever before and Will & Grace and Queer as Folk are hits and Ellen Degeneres has a second career as a talkshow host and homophobes are beginning to catch great flack, and THEN he comes out, coincidentally at the same time he’s about to release his memoirs.
Screw you, shug. Where were your guts when they would have mattered?

I saw an interview with him recently where he admitted he was involuntarily outed but says, “Did coming out hurt my career? Frankly, I don’t care.” He seemed relieved at having been outed and very open about his identity now. Sure, I agree it would have been better if he’d done it voluntarily, but he survived the outing and is candid and happy about it now, which is cool.

For me, personally, I wish every gay actor would just come out already. It would likely enhance rather than detract from my opinion of the actor or actress in question for having the guts to be honest about it, because really, it’s just not relevant to the acting job and hiding it is not good for anyone. I realize I might not be typical in this respect; my best friend is gay, so I’m a little biased.

I have show biz connections, and know a few big names who are so far in the closet they can see Narnia (lifted from a Tom Cruise thread), and, as Gerard Alessandrini put it in “Who’s Gay in Hollywood”: You know, I’m beginning to think there is a cure for homosexuality. A SAG card.

I wish George Takei had come out during the height of Star Trek’s popularity, instead of waiting till his career needed a boost. I admire David Hyde Pierce immensely: I’m gay. Let’s get on with the show.

John *Gielgud? * Who knew?

England.

I have alot of fag friends, and love them as brothers. I know they are capable of anything I am capable of. Most of them are MORE capable than I am!

But I just wanna see Harvey Fierstein play a straight role with a female love interest…

:cool: :wink:

Go see the current revival of Fiddler on the Roof. Harvey as Teyvye and Rosie O’Donnell as Golde. How gay is that?

David Hyde Pierce is gay? I thought he just didn’t say one way or the other. Wiki quotes him as saying "“I live my life as an open book. I just don’t intend to read it to anyone.” I like him a hell of a lot, I just did not know that.

It literally opened a lavendar vortex one night that trapped in some chorus members and six people from the front row. ;j

The reviews of his performance were great. Critics said that he was a bit over the top at times, but when he needed to “play it straight” (no pun intended) such as during the Chava’s marriage scene and the showdown with the constable, he was absolutely chilling. I so wish I could have seen it.

I heard him interviewed on a talk show when he first took the role and he was astonished (and offended) at how surprised so many people were that he took the role or that he was even considered for it. He said something to the effect of “I just won a Tony for playing a 400 pound agoraphobic Protestant housewife and mother, but people don’t seem to think I can pull off playing a neurotic sarcastic middle aged Jewish man. Uh, hello?”

I don’t think he’s ever officially come out, but he’s certainly never denied it and at his friend Maureen Reagan’s funeral a few years ago he held hands with his longtime partner on live nationwide TV. His TV father, John Mahoney, has also never denied it and also is seen regularly in public with his partner, and in an interview somewhile ago Kelsey Grammer said something to the effect of (I’m paraphrasing because I can’t find it on the net) “I’ve been arrested for cocaine several times, I’ve had marriages and relationships that ended in police intervention and newspaper headlines and my whole background before I cleaned up a few years ago was an encyclopedia of dysfunctional heterosexuality, but the gay friends and co-stars I’ve had in this business who’ve been together 20 years and live like The Waltons by comparison are asked by the production companies not to discuss their private lives because it might cause bad press. You’ve got to love Hollywood’s take on morality.”

In defense of George Takei, while he never came out in a public arena he hasn’t been in the closet for many years. He even met his boyfriend in a gay joggers club in LA and has been very active in several gay organizations including Human Rights Campaign and a support group for gay teens. And speaking of The Waltons, I’ve read that Will Geer (who was divorced and the father of three but very open about his preference for men [also one of the best educated men in show business- he had a doctorate in botany and could quote whole plays by Shakespeare from memory]) was basically told “NOT. ONE. WORD. IF. YOU. WANT. TO. KEEP. THE. PAYCHECK”. He did want to keep the paycheck because he knew from his experience with the blacklists how hard it could be, but he lived very simply in a bungalow and used his TV earnings to educate his kids and expand his outdoor theater company in Topanga Canyon.

You’re asking two different questions, to my mind:

To me, a movie star is a person who is famous for, and makes a living at, playing one type of character. Humphrey Bogart, Arnold Schwarzenegger, John Wayne, Mae West, Charlie Chaplin, Mary Pickford, Harrison Ford, Jackie Chan, Bruce Willis, Jim Carrey, etc.

Not to take anything away from the performing abilities of the above actors, but their box office bank was built on their level of audience recognition, rather than on their acting ability or range or wide selection of differing roles. (This list was not meant as an example of gay, or straight, movie stars.)

Mere actors play roles. We’re talking Denzel Washington, Dustin Hoffman, Meryl Streep, Tom Hanks, Marlon Brando, Johnny Depp, and so on. Actors, I think, can be known to be gay, since their appeal isn’t based on a pre-packaged character. You don’t say, “I like seeing Johnny Depp movies because he kicks ass and beats up a lot of bad guys,” because he doesn’t do that in all his films. Instead you’d say, “I like seeing Johnny Depp movies because he’s a good actor.”

I figure mere actors have a great deal more flexibility than movie stars, since actors aren’t tied to an advertising package. Actors can be married, single, childless, Republican, divorced, Catholic, gay, recovering alcoholics, whatever. (Not all at the same time.)

Movie stars have a harder time going against the grain of their established stardom. Some movie-star-sex-symbol types keep their marriages quiet because their publicists worry about the loss of box office if Mr. Sex Symbol were known to be happily married. I suppose the same thing would be true of a movie star who was known to play big, rugged manly men and was later discovered to be gay.

I’d like to think the opening is there for a gay movie star, though: someone who plays, and is known to play, mostly gay leading characters. I can’t think of one at the moment, probably because there aren’t that many roles — yet — on which to build such a career.

Him too? Where the hell have I been? I always thought I had a finger on the pulse of Tinseltown. Guess not.

I was more surprised to learn that he’s English. :slight_smile:

Well, he may be English, but Chicago has claimed him as one of our own! :stuck_out_tongue: