Okay now it's official: Fuck You, Bernie! Put down the mirror and end your fucking campaign.

Jesus fucking Christ.

Yeah, right, Bernie. You’re dealing with it. You’re the chosen one. Nobody else on the planet cares - just you.

Magic Bernie won’t end his magical campaign because he’s Magic Bernie.

FFS, bro, give it up. I went from believing you were a crank, but basically a force for good to believing you’re a narcissistic cult leader who’s fallen in love with the hippies in your commune. You’re wearing out your welcome.

He’s like the friend who asks to stay in your basement until he finds work, who agrees to feed the cats and fish once in a while, but who instead stays two or three months and ends up fucking your wife.

What’s the hurry? The next contest isn’t for 3 weeks. Give him time before you conclude that he’s terrible. There’s plenty of time for this to end relatively amicably and for Bernie to shift fully to general-election support.

How exactly is he “dealing” with it? What is he doing “today” to make sure that we don’t have an economic meltdown and that people don’t die?

Bernie Sanders has always and in every way about electing Bernie Sanders. And his die-hard supporters are behind him in his desire to pull down the temple upon their heads rather than submit to compromise. Is this not evident?

So, you’re saying he’s a real life Larry David?

Stranger

As a Bernie supporter (I’m not sure if I qualify as a “die hard”), I disagree, at least for the great majority of his supporters.

I support him because I think most of his criticism is our system is accurate, and I think we need revolutionary change to have a hope of a fair and decent society. I think he has a big ego, but I see no evidence it’s any bigger than any other major politician.

I dunno, but maybe the ‘dementia’ thread is about the wrong guy. Maybe Bernie’s running around giving orders to his ‘cabinet’ while coordinating with other ‘world leaders.’

It seems to me that he’s very good at pointing that out, but terrible at coming up with plans and real-world solutions to fix it and/or pay for it.

It’s an utterly monumental task, and so far Bernie has only made a few dents at the edges. I’m disappointed that he’s almost certain not to become president, but I’m hopeful that someone with similar ideas and frustration with the system will be soon.

I’ve seen this movie before.

March 16th 2016:

What the fuck does this even mean? If Bernie has to concede he might be a big fucking prick about it?

If that’s where we are, I can tell Bernie to go fuck himself. Also, Bernie, if you want the support of the Democratic ticket, to ride on the coattails of the Democratic party, you have to also support the Democratic ticket. (Blows Bernie supporters’ minds.)

Ideologues got to ideo.

Bernies’ campaign song: Coattail Rider:

That is exactly the problem. Sanders is a gadfly and in that role he has been valuable in agitating for change but his ability to work and compromise with even the people who largely agree with him is essentially nil. Nor is he any kind of detail policy wonk or consensus-builder. I get that all of the Bernie boosters (I’ll demur from referring to them as “bros”) like his rhetoric and think the world would be a far better place if he could be King for a Day and make all the changes he wants with the wave of his Magical Executive Wand, but that just isn’t the way anything works as every president since Washington can attest to. And in his persistence in pursuing the Democratic nomination, instead of using his influence to skew a hypothetical Democratic presidential administration toward a more progressive agenda, he risks throwing any possibility of effective change back to GOP despite everything they have done in the last three years to trip over their own dicks.

Elizabeth Warren was a progressive-leaning candidate in the primary who was often lumped in with Bernie Sanders (though I think there were some significant policy differences between them), and whom, if Sanders had lent her his support, might have had a fighting chance at pulling both the progressive and center-left wings together to actually accomplish some significant progressive accomplishments while reestablishing some regulation over the large banks and financial institutions. Instead, in his unwavering desire to “break up the banks” (a goal I still don’t understand in its policy implications; does Sanders think our financial system can run on a patchwork of credit unions and savings & loans?) he stood by while his vocal supporters vigorously attacked her in unremitting fashion for the unforgivable sin of not kow-towing to Bernie and drinking the Democratic Socialist Flavor-Aid.

Bernie Sanders is just as much of a narcissist as Donald Trump, and however laudable his “policy”, such as it is, may be he has essentially zero chance of making any portion of it a reality even in the event he could win the Democratic presidential nomination and beat Trump in the general election. He could choose the role of backing a viable candidate with the exchange of support for at least some of his policy goals, but he won’t because for Sanders and his supporters it is Always And Only Ever Bernie with a side order of Entitled Outrage that not everyone to the left of Karl Rove vehemently agrees with him.

Stranger

I can’t see any way of referring to this magical thinking—the idea that Bernie could have ruled the nation via Executive Order and made flesh all the revolutionary ideals—other than “cult-like.”

And, please. “Join us”…? Sure, candidate, tell me “Vote X to Transform the System” or “A Vote for X is a Vote for Change” or “Vote for X if You’re Sick of the Status Quo”—all reasonable slogans for a candidate who intended to work to alter the existing state of affairs.

But “Join Us”…that is just plain creepy. I don’t want to “join” with a candidate or with a candidate’s followers. I want to elect someone who will do the job of governing. I’m not looking for an object of veneration who will define my existence.

Sheesh.

He cannot get elected president. So it doesn’t matter what he stands for.

[QUOTE=iiandyiiii;22197721I’m disappointed that he’s almost certain not to become president, but I’m hopeful that someone with similar ideas and frustration with the system will be soon.[/QUOTE]
Well, we had a candidate with similar ideas and frustration with the system, who was also a policy wonk and had an ability to work with others to actually accomplish stuff.

Gotta agree with Stranger on this one: Bernie should have looked at Warren last summer and realized she was like him, only better in a whole bunch of ways, and thrown his weight behind her. Too late for that now, but she’s back in the Senate, working hard to improve the rescue package. (Why isn’t he?) And her campaign people, after she dropped out, phone-banked for Marie Newman, who just sent Dan Lipinski into a well-deserved retirement.

(Good to see you again, Stranger!)

When a friend asked me why I was supporting Biden, my answer was simple: I don’t think we should replace one cult leader with another cult leader.

The fact that Bernie supporters traffic in conspiracy theories tells me all I need to know about them. Today, on another board, I saw someone claim that Biden would meekly accept whatever running mate the DNC selected for him. Jesus Christ! They’re a political party, not the goddam Illuminati. :rolleyes:

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[/QUOTE] I sent that clip to a friend the other day. There is so much in that video that is absurdly prophetic.

Stranger

And the longer he goes without doing so, the more concerning this is. While obviously not a Russian asset like Gabbard, he is similarly dragging down the DNC with his toxic obstinancy in preventing the DNC from executing the electoral process in determining their presendential candidate, especially if he’s foolishly trying to deflect perfectly legitimate inquiries that call in to question his continued running by spouting crusader shit about that effing global crisis.

Much seconded.