handy sez:
That’s a pretty simplistic, unsupported assertion you made there.
But hey, since you said it’s “scientific” it must be true.
Yeah, I’ve had a blackout before, and the next morning I was scared. I woke up in my room and only had vague memories of tangling with a bush (scratches all over to prove that) and people helping me home (it was cold and I didn’t have a jacket, I was lucky). Between 10 and 2 that night, I had no memories. I tried talking to a female friend over AIM and was rather coldly rebuffed, I thought. I thought “Oh no! What did I DO last night?” It turns out that all I’d done was go to sleep and then disappear from the get-together I was at (they didn’t see me leave). The strange thing is, my blackout started at the point where I’d only had about 5 shots and a beer (hey, college style), far less than I’ve had at other times. I attribute it to disease. Still, I’ve toned down my drinking some. I DON’T want it to happen again. I might not be so lucky next time.
That’s enough of my drinking story. Now, about homosexuality. I’d rate myself a two. Oh, if I press that button I’m going to be so embarassed. This is actually pretty hard. You wouldn’t believe how much so.
The latest theory is among men about 33% have had at least one homosexual experince. about 10% spent a year or less being exclusively gay, and about 1 to 3% of any given population is in fact actually gay.
The study indcated less than 1% of women define themselves as being lesbaian. The trouble is homosexuality is really a self definition.
Women who may kiss another woman may see nothing sexual about it but a man seeing this would think “Oh Lesbian”
Souce=Advocate Magazine.
It seems to me 3% is a resonable figure for men. Take Chgo 2.7 million people that means 27,000 gay men. Seems a resonable estimate.
I don’t have the slightest idea what the percentages are, but so far no one has mentioned an important point: lesbianism is the #1 fantasy/turn-on of heterosexual males everywhere.
Now, there may well be a lot of women who tried lesbianism a time or two out of curiosity… but my hunch is, a HUGE percentage of the heterosexual women who’ve dabbled in lesbianism did so to fulfill a boyfriend or husband’s fantasy. A local DJ here in Austin recently joked (probably accurately) that “when you see a personal ad that says ‘bi-curious female,’ you know what 'bi-curious means? It means 'my damn husband won’t shut the F*** up about this!”
Of course I can’t factually dispute your theory, but I can tell you from conversations with dozens of women friends and acquaintances, your hunch would be wrong. In fact, I can’t think of any women I’ve spoken to about it who haven’t admitted to having their own fantasies about at least trying it once. Although I know only one woman who has actually fulfilled that particular fantasy (which is only one of many fantasies we women have without the provocation of you men), myself included.
And for what it’s worth, I find M-M sex a turn-on too. I love men’s bodies and I love seeing them aroused, so seeing two (or more) of them together – ooh la la!! And the female friends I’ve exposed to gay male videos have admitted that, while they either never gave it any prior thought, or thought it would be gross, were also very aroused once they actually saw it.
I’m a guy, I tried lesbianism. It’s great.
From talking to them, few guys would date a woman with lesbian experience. They would not only have to be concered about the woman around their male friends, but their female friends too.
Handy wrote:
I think this is a Kinsey finding, isn’t it?
I sort of agree with the general idea, that very few people have absolutely no fantasies about same-sex sex, but I have problems with the actual results…
For one, I think a 1-5 is a little granular for this sort of thing, and second I doubt it was conducted properly… I’ve seen too many psych tests where if you’ve thought about, as in, wanted to, or just had a philosophical debate about, “some topic”, then they check the ‘thinks about “some topic”’ box.
Some people could have absolutely no desire for members of the same sex, yet think about the act, and the societal consequences a fair bit.
Similarly, you could think about suicide, as in being suicidal, or you could just have a morbid streak and wonder about death, and what sort of mindset someone would have to be in to commit suicide. But both would be checked the same on a psych test.
So, I think the results are semi-correct, in that most people have more than zero thoughts about the same sex, but wrong in the way they stated the results, and in properly disclosing the way the information was gathered.
Shayna, you bring up (pun NOT intended) a good point. It’s assumed by many sex therapists that men love the idea of f/f but women hate the idea of m/m. Even some advice-type people (like the brain-dead girl on MSN Underwire) will assert that women hate the idea of gay sex.
Well, bull. I don’t know where they get their stats, but at least among my friends m/m is a very common, if not the most common, fantasy. And more; do you really think gay men buy all those leather magazines? Heh. According to the editor of one fine publication, well over half of his subscribers are heterosexual women.
We don’t talk about it much to men, though, because most guys wouldn’t understand. Most of my former bfs have been grossed out by the idea that I like to look at naked men. (Strange, but true. I guess they expected me to get all hot and bothered over pictures of kitchen appliances.)
Problem is, a lot of those “scientific” findings were done improperly. We went over this in my Psych class. A hoel chapter devoted to it. Most of those findings are suppoorted by the media and the media rarely cares about accuracy.
Like, the one about how most women would cheat on their husbands and how many actually have. This was widely publicized. Problem is, it wasnt a truely random test. It was done via mail-in questionaires. So, the tested subject base is extremely skewed. You dont know how many of the X amount had ever done such a thing (if 80% had or hadnt that would adverly affect results).
Any ways, being the skeptic that I am I would like to see a reference study, preferably two, that relate to the scale measurement.
CB
Surveys suck because of how they word questions & who ever gives the truth about their sexuality?
Better results come from asking if you know anyone who did such & such.
The scale is Kinsley, its on the net and its 1 to 6, not one to five: http://www.indiana.edu/~kinsey/ak-hhscale.html
and:
0- Exclusively heterosexual with no homosexual
1- Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2- Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3- Equally heterosexual and homosexual
4- Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5- Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6- Exclusively homosexual
amen.
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BuddyG, you ever do it with two girls?
DISCLAIMER: I LOVE men. I love the hardness of their bodies, and their hairy arms and chests, I love broad shoulders and well-muscled arms. I love it when they pick me up an… (Damn! Enough of that! I’m getting myself all sweaty here…)
Shortly after I lost my virginity (like about two weeks!), I joined a (married) couple in a threesome. It was interesting, it felt kinda good, but I didn’t know what the hell I was doing, and although we tried it again once or twice, it never gave me that much of a thrill.
To quote Mr. Michael: “Sex is best when it’s ONE-ON-ONE” (and I prefer that the “one” be male).
T
On a related note, friends of ours were surprised when another friend (who I don’t know) asked them to do the old wife swap thing.
I must live under a rock, because I thought that that sort of thing went out of vogue in the 70’s…
P.S. They declined.
Hi,
My guess is a lot of guys try a homosexual experience, but a) younger than women or b) in a sex-segregated environment.
And IIRC, five times as many men get raped than women. It happens in prison.
Dr. Fidelis, if you feel a rotten tomato being lobbed at you, it was because I finally got your joke! Ain’t nothing slow about this chick. 
No offense, matt, but I have to question that statistic. I can’t believe that over 83% of rape victims could be male and the entire issue would be unknown. In fact, I would question whether there enough men in prison to make that kind of percentage possible even if every prisoner was a rape victim.
So the question is: if you asked a group of women whether they’d been with another woman, what percentage of them would answer yes just to yank your chain.
And what percentage would clap the ever-lovin’ hell out of you?