Old adage about American wine being better in price and quality still true?

In both cookbooks and wine books, up to twenty or thirty years ago at least, it was repeated constantly that, if you lived in America you could get the best bang for your wine-buying buck by avoiding imports. I’ve been reading Antoine Gilly’s classic A Feast Of France, and he asserts this as well, urging the reader to seek out California or Finger Lakes wines, rather than comparably priced imports from his own country.

And that makes sense in a way. You would think that if one is going to spend ten or fifteen dollars on a bottle of wine, the local product would automatically be better, since one is presumably saving the cost of transporting the wine from Europe or Australia to the U.S. I do like California wine. I live in California. But, to be honest, I have almost always found that French and Italian wines in that price range are very often better. One rule of thumb I use is, when possible, always to choose at least a regional predicate, e.g. Sonoma or Alto Adige rather than just California or Italy. By the same token, if it’s Italian or French I look for the Appellation Controlee or the Italian equivalent, which I forget just now. This practice has always served me well–and it seems that the price point at which this becomes possible is usually lower with the imports than it is with California wines. Even the weakness of the dollar doesn’t seem to change this much. German wines have always been too expensive for me, but the French and Italian ones have managed to stay competitive.

The notion you’re talking about dates back precisely 33 (or so) years, to a notorious (from the French viewpoint) blind taste test in Paris.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20060305/SAVOR01/60223027?Title=1976-When-California-wine-beat-the-French-in-Paris

and

http://www.decanter.com/news/85442.html

As that second article suggests, some top California wines still outscore top French wines in these contests (FWIW).

An awful lot has changed in the wine market since then. It’s gotten big enough that generalizations are hard to come by. Another thing that’s happened is that the top California wineries have become every bit as elite or “elite” (mostly meant in the bad sense of that word) as the priciest Bourdeaux. Certainly, especially in our erstwhile boom times, it was not unusual to see the artificially-scarce top California Cabernets being the target of frenzied bidding in the hundreds or thousands of dollars range.

At the same time, the wine market has also become in some ways more democratic. Two buck Chuck is not the only well-under-$10 but still solid options (and it’s not just American wines – Europe and elsewhere produce low-end wine, some good, some bad, that you can buy at single-digit prices).

So, there are really too many variables to answer your question, because so much will depend on your particular price point, your level of connoisseurship, the exchange rate, and what’s trendy at the moment. With that in mind though:

(1) American wines at the top end compete well, if not as super-bargains, with top-end French or Italian wines.
(2) In the middle to low middle price points, there are also many good American options, but it’s not a slam-dunk vis a vis the Continental competitors; but
(3) IMHO, the most bang for the buck is going to come from off-marquee origins, such as Chile, Argentina, Spain (eh, not so much anymore), Portugal, etc.

(4) Since that taste test, Australian, Chilean and Argentinian wines have developed markedly. My default choice is more likely to be a wine from Chile as opposed to one from the US, within a price range.

This.

I’m an Australian, so I’m biased, but I’ll agree with others that the choice is no longer between the US and the traditional wine-growing countries of Europe: South America, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand all produce wines that are imported in large quantities into the US and offer good value for money.

WINE EXPERT:
A lot of people in this country pooh-pooh Australian table wines. This is a pity as many fine Australian wines appeal not only to the Australian palate but also to the cognoscenti of Great Britain.

Black Stump Bordeaux is rightly praised as a peppermint flavoured Burgundy, whilst a good Sydney Syrup can rank with any of the world’s best sugary wines.

Another good fighting wine is Melbourne Old-and-Yellow, which is particularly heavy and should be used only for hand-to-hand combat.

Real emetic fans will also go for a Hobart Muddy, and a prize winning Cuivre Reserve Château Bottled Nuit San Wogga Wogga, which has a bouquet like an aborigine’s armpit.

:smiley:

My opinion:

I’ll take an Australian shiraz or a New Zealand pinot noir over any European wine, hands down, any day of the week. I’d take either of those over most American wines, save for the Oregon (Willamette Valley) pinot noirs, most of the time as well. (I’m a huge fan of King Estate in the Willamette Valley. Try the NxNW Cabernet Sauv., or the Next Pinot Noir. Mmmmmm… Delish!)

Whoever pooh-poohed Aussie wines has never had a nice Penfold’s Grange…

With American wines, the attention is almost entirely (rightly or wrongly) on California, but I have to say anyone who ignores wines in Oregon and Washington (Willamette and Columbia River valleys) is really missing out.

The quality of wines coming out of Walla Walla and the Tri-Cities these days is astonishing.

There is also too much focus on Northern California. The Santa Ynez Valley produces some outstanding wines, as does the Temecula Valley.

Washington state whites are some of the best bargains around.

I think you’re right that for a plain glass of wine, local wines are best. I drink a lot of wines from Long Island that are quite good. I’ve also found some very good wines from places like Chile, Australia, and California.

However, I will say that if you’re in France, go to a sidewalk cafe and order a vin ordinaire. Any random one is better than 90% of all wines. Any French restaurant’s reputation is based upon their house wine, and it shows. But, of course, what is delicious in France may not travel well to the US, and the winery may not make enough to bother exporting. But in France, cafes are like microbreweries in the US.

We mess around at parties with head to head “competitions” (no poncey attempts to be wine critics, just blind ballots of five or six wines from the same place on a first-to-worst basis). We recently sampled Long Island red wines and found a runaway winner – even the “pro” wine guys were surprised it was from where it was.

http://www.pellegrinivineyards.com/site/ourvines.htm

Pellegrini makes some lovely stuff. Macari, too.

I tend to buy pretty much only aussie wines in australia. But I have about 20 vineyards/wineries within 1 hour drive of my house, with my favourite only 5 minutes! Cellar door at some places does give pretty good value but I dodge the big ones. So it is true for us downunder.

Go to Britian and Aussie wines are very popular, even the French are employing a lot of australians and for that matter californians to design products that people want to drink.

So in summary, a good local wine purchased wisely is likely to offer the best value for money. But the best wine is Grange.

I suspect that one might do better with American wine in higher price ranges, but at the lower prices it seems that the foreign vintners are driving home the fact that wine, at this level, is basically a simple agricultural product produced in mass quantities, and for the most part, have been able to adjust their prices to meet unfavorable exchange rates.

I remember a wonderful Chablis I used to buy at Trader Joes for $9. It’s probably a little bit more now, but not too much I’m willing to bet. IIRC it was from a smaller appellation within Burgundy. Like I said, I’m all for California wine, but I’ve never tasted anything made here that can match the taste of that Chablis; in fact, the term “chablis” has become tainted here by domestic jug wines of poor quality that were sold under that name for many years.

The same is true in Barcelona, Madrid, Lisbon etc.

For around a Euro and change (two dollars or so) you can typically get a better glass of wine in a random neighborhood bar than what 6 or 7 bucks will get you in a similar place in Seattle, Portland or San Francisco.

I’m hardly a wine expert, but the last time I visited my parents, my dad complained to me that CA wine was so much more expensive than wine from Europe and Australia.

My parents live in Sonoma County, so I think he was annoyed that wine that was produced ten miles from their house should cost more than wine from thousands of miles away.

I’m trying to remember if I’ve tried Pellegrini. I think so. We usually shop at Pindar, which is good, but cheap, and I have had bottles of Hargraves, which started it all (the winery has been sold, so they used a different name).

The Hargraves decided that the Cutchogue area was perfect for wine growing, and stated the first of the wineries in 1973. They concentrated on making first-class wines, and when they started being successful, others followed. So there was never a winery making cheap stuff.

I’m from American wine growing country, but we have, as yet, not slipped into popularity or gratuitous important overpricing. The local wines are starting to become refined, but our wines have a different tradition… distinctive and native table wines. We could become contenders, but I blame that on the vintners.

Many people mentioned Chile and Argentina, yet no one mention the most obvious reason why their prices are so good. Beneficial exchage rates help keep South American wines VERY reasonably priced.

What most people fail to see is this simple fact…There are SOOOOOOO many different wine from so many different places you should almost never have to drink the same wine twice. I can think of so many places that make great wine…

The usual Suspects - France, Italy, Spain, California
The Great-but-lesser-known - Washington and Oregon, Portugal (not just port), Gemany, New York State
The New-New World - Australia, New Zealand (try the Pinot Noir), Argentina, Chile, South Africa
and
The “We will be hearing more about them in the Near Future” - Urugauy, Austria (already Great-but-lesser-know in many places), Hungary, Republic of Georgia, Texas, Virginia, Idaho (not just potatoes anymore…See "The North fork of Long Island), New Mexico (thanks to the Gruet family), and Who-know-who-else???(maybe parts of India…I had and interesting Indian Shiraz at an India resturant on Bleecker street recently)

A little effort, a little wisper in your local wine store owners ear, a little letter to you state legislature(to relax the RIDICULUSLY strict morass of interstate wine shipping restrictions…yes, every state need to adress this), and maybe a few minutes on the internet, and you too can find something new and exciting, and well-priced

I live near enough Napa valley that I am spoiled. But there are good wines from all over the world. I love every Chilean wine I’ve ever tried. I like Aussie wines. I love Italian wines. French wines are good too. But when I can pick up a $10 1.5 liter of BV Century Cellars at the Safeway 4 blocks from home and serve it blind to anyone and know it is excellent, that is what I usually do.

I’ve done a modest amount of wine-tasting, particularly in France. It seems to me that at the price points I used to be able to afford, Old World wines are vinted to a standard quality whereas New World wines are vinted to a standard taste. IOW the taste of an Old World wine can vary markedly but still be just as good, and New World wines will have the same taste year-on-year.

These days, alas, the ‘3 bottles for £10’ rot-gut of the local supermarket is a treat.