Old-school downtown "clubs"

So my mom’s side of the family had a family reunion this past weekend, and it took place at The Bellevue Club in Oakland, which is one of those old-school gentleman’s clubs, where you expect rich grumpy men from the 1950’s to be smoking cigars. The place is HUGE… everywhere you turn there is another parlor, or sitting room, or ballroom, or dining room. It’s quite nicely kept up, but it looks more like a time capsule of something from 1958 than an establishment that is still active in this day and age. And, most strikingly, it was nearly completely empty at all times. I think the total number of other guests/members we saw over the course of 3 days was about 5. We basically had the entire place to ourselves at all times. Which really makes you wonder how it possibly still exists. I mean, it’s occupying prime real estate with a lakefront view in the nice part of downtown Oakland, and there’s never anyone there. If not for our party, the entire kitchen and dining room would have been producing a very tasty and fancy 3-course dinner for a total of two diners.

Anyhow, I thought it was a fascinating weekend from a slice-of-Americana perspective. Anyone else have any stories about clubs of this nature?

Well, not Americana, obviously, but similar sentiment:

There are still Working Mens’ Clubs round here, though they are falling like ninepins and being redeveloped. The nearby city of Coventry was once home to some serious manufacturing, notably motor vehicles, amongst other industries, but those factories are now long gone. I have worked in one of the old Working Mens’ Clubs in the city on several occasions and it’s just like stepping back in time.

First problem is getting into the place. There are no hi-tech entry systems, just one man as old as Methuselah, wearing a blazer bedecked with medal ribbons. It’s easier getting past a Rottweiler than The Captain for a non-member who is not being signed in by a member (except on Tuesdays and Saturdays which are strictly Members Only), and woe betide the member who is behind with his subs. I’ve learned to take EVERYTHING I may possibly need from the van to the club because of the grief caused if I have to nip back and get something. It’s like he’s never seen me before, despite me telling him I’m going to the van to get some tools, not 5 minutes previously.

The club itself is slap-bang in the middle of some grim tower blocks, set in its own grounds where the grass is well-manicured. I cannot imagine how many offers they must have rejected to sell off the field, it’s so out of place in the middle of all that concrete. You can tell from the state of it, NOBODY hops over the fence with a football for a kickabout, though it begs to be played on. Dogs dream about laying a cable on that soft turf.

Anyway, once you are past The Captain’s sentry post, you have stepped back into the 1970s, and perhaps beyond. Everything in there gleams - it hums with the smell of polish with the added faint whiff of ullage Worthingtons Bitter and takes me right back to my childhood when Grandad would take us and pop into his club for a swift pint on a Sunday morning and us kids would have a glass of flat coke and a packet of crisps between us. Framed pictures show that “all the names” have been there, Clubland Royalty like Ken Dodd, The Grumbleweeds and the Black Abbotts (without Russ, unfortunately), plus all the others who look like they swap band members regularly, and who keep the Mullet haircut alive.

The brasses sparkle, the carpet is spruce and you could eat your dinner off the floor in the Gents (if you were that way inclined). There are bog seats, locks and toilet paper - quite a novelty in some licensed premises these days. I’ve never seen a cleaner or maintenance man in there, it must all get done by magic.

Despite the maintenance regime, you can STILL smell the nicotine that has seeped into all the timbers, bars and furniture, despite the smoking ban which came in in 2007. It even appears to coat the posters advertising such Saturday night delights as “Our Old Favourite - Max Regal & Wife, singing all your favourites from the Hit Parade. 7.30pm in the Ballroom, Pie & Peas served 9pm, Bingo at 10. MEMBERS ONLY!!!” Shame you can’t be there folks, right?

The Ballroom is only used on Saturdays, and to even open the door is to invite people to pop up from hidden corridors asking what you are doing there (despite them having seen me the day before, and knowing that there’s no way an intruder is getting past The Captain). The PA system should be in a museum, has been wired up by the bloke who invented the Enigma machine, and they are still expecting to get another decade or so out of it. For the life of me I can’t work out how they manage to pipe a microphone from the Sentry Box (so the Captain can tell people their taxi has arrived) yet be able to mute it so he doesn’t inadvertently interrupt the bingo and cause a riot. (If you’ve ever seen a WMC Bingo game, it is NO joke. They all want that £100 prize and hate the person who wins)

They still have an original twin turntable disco deck, in perfect working order because you have to get written permission in triplicate to even open the cupboard it lives in. Between that and the mirrorball, it’s like experiencing a time-slip, it really does make me dizzy.

The same customers drink in there every day, sat alone sipping halves of Mild, sometimes getting together for a round or two of Dominoes (NO BETS ALLOWED!). They appear to be the same people who drank in my Grandad’s club 35 years ago, old men in 3 piece suits with watch chains. Also present will be the odd ruddy-faced man in his 20s, with one of those pencil spiv’s moustaches, wearing loafers and white socks, who is “on the sick”. Permanently.
Apparently it’s heaving with customers at night and weekends, but I have never plucked up the courage to try and gain entry at peak times, it’s a 2000 capacity venue!

Nothing, but NOTHING gets done in there without being put to the Committee, and only when quotes have been submitted by 3 companies. Even then there’s always someone to stand behind you to grumble that they weren’t told.

When I first saw “Phoenix Nights” I jumped, it’s a comedy but I’ve seen it all in real life, in THIS decade!! (It’s on Youtube for those that might not know it)

Just how a Working Mens’ Club survives to this day in such good health is a mystery to me, especially in such an economically devastated city as Coventry. It’s so archaic it makes your head swim, but I find it strangely reassuring, with all the petty rules and raffles and throwbacks to an era when people repsected the community authority and didn’t just say “Fuck You, I do what I want”. Despite everything, the people who run this place must still command respect. Possibly because “my Mum worked with that old boy, don’t piss him off because he will tell her”.

Every time I go past, I expect to see the boards up and a For Sale sign, but won’t be pleased when it does succumb. It’s a part of history, from the days when it was THE place for a factory worker and family to go at weekends (NO CHILDREN IN BAR, OR IN SNOOKER ROOM UNATTENDED. BY ORDER), and the odd evening too.

All the big places that existed purely for their employees - Jaguar, Triumph, Courtalds, Alvis etc seem to have disappeared, even though the clubs lingered on for some time afterwards. Thousands of people worked in the factories and for some it was their only social outing - imagine that, working with people all week and then having to see them down the club at the weekend!
It was the same up and down the country, and I dare say that the last will fizzle out in the not-too-distant-future. Shame.

Have been in a few of the downtown Chicago clubs - spent the most time at the Union League Club. My basic impression was that there are a lot of people who make a helluva lot of money, and who conduct their lives far differently than I could imagine.

There are some folk who are moderately wealthy, and consider club membership as their one indulgence - as someone else might own a horse, or a boat. Of course, there are a lot of members who also own horses AND boats…

Do these places maintain endowments? Endowments can explain a continuing income stream when there doesn’t seem to be many current members.

I think this is something a bit different than what the OP meant. Apparently the clubs in England were formal—but working class.
The OP is referring (I think!) to American clubs..which were formal–and upper class.
They were designed in the age of the Mad Men TV show, and were all about status and snob appeal. You needed lots of money to pay their fees, and lots more to maintain a lifestyle so that others would assume that you were a member there, even without asking.
They were sort of like the Playboy club, but without the sex. The only women present were the trophy wives who stood alongside quietly while the men discussed business.

And I wonder how many of them still exist today.

(and thanks, cornholio, for a wonderfully written post!)

I’m pretty sure England has its fair share of snooty clubs.

When I spoke at a state medical society meeting last year I got to have dinner at Louisville’s Pendennis Club. As a cocktail nerd I was totally geeked out because it’s the birthplace of the Old Fashioned. (It’s also Kentucky-foodie-famous for a steak sauce called Henry Bain sauce.) I was pretty excited to go there because, to put it very mildly, it’s not the circle I generally run in, and such an invitation isn’t likely to come along again anytime soon.

As a speaker I was sitting at a table with the hosts of the event, a couple of grumpy old internists. They seemed to regard my enthusiasm with suspicion and I think they were put off by the fact that I wasn’t wearing a jacket. (Hey, it was August, and no one mentioned that we needed one. About half of the other guys didn’t have one, either.) Their wives, however, were the picture of old-school Southern charm, putting the whole table at ease, showing off their decades of practice at making up for their husbands’ lack of social skills.

Dinner was very old-school–iceberg salad, prime rib (with the aforementioned sauce), roasted potatoes, dessert I can’t even remember. It was a dinner that could have been served 50 or 100 years ago. It was good, but you could probably walk to a few dozen places from there and have a much better dinner at about half the price. (I didn’t see a menu or anything, but I imagine it’s extravagant.)

As the dinner broke up I took the liberty of walking around the ground floor to check things out. It was totally empty on a Wednesday night. It was all wood paneling and big leather chairs, and I expected to round a corner and see Randolph and Mortimer Duke trying to corner the frozen orange juice market. At one point an employee pointedly asked if they could help me find what I was looking for.

I’m glad I got to go, even if the appeal ultimately eludes me.

When I was working at a brokerage, they had a membership in the Downtown Athletic Club in New York City. The name of the club might be familiar: it’s the group that gives out the Heisman Trophy. They had it in the lobby, with the names of all the winners.*

It worked out well for them: the club had hotel rooms at a price far lower than a good hotel in NYC, and it was near Wall Street. The rooms were decent, but showed their age.

I stayed there a couple of times while taking training courses. Didn’t attend any events, though I did order a dinner from room service.

Alas, the club was near the Twin Towers and closed after the attacks, falling into bankruptcy.

*Winners, of course, got their own to keep.

Hey Guys.

Just wanted to say you all wrote some very good posts that were enjoyable reads. I could almost envision myself there at those places. Thanks. Frozen orange juice market :slight_smile:

Year ago I did the printing for the Ranier Club in Seattle: menus, brochures, etc. It really is, to our eyes as people who live in an adapt or die world, like a relic with big money pumped in for the sake of preserving what was good about being rich in the old days (like comparing Queen Victoria’s private train to a modern oil emir’s flying palace). It extended to the menu and the furnishings; no idea if they kept the medicine ball and Indian clubs in the gym.

I also saw a list of all the other such clubs across the US that have membership recipriocity.

In St. Louis they still have the Missouri Athletic Club, which proudly boasts of its mission to be “to be the premier athletic, social and dining club for business, professional and civic leaders and their families in the St. Louis area.”

Sacramento still has the Sutter Club.

Houston still has their Petroleum Club (though membership is now open to a wider range of folks). I went to a rather sumptuous wedding there years ago.

When I was working for a non-profit with offices in Chicago and Washington DC, we had semi-annual conferences alternating in Chicago and DC. Someone in our DC office was a member of the Cosmos Club, so the last year of the project :frowning: we had our conference there and the out-of-town attendees stayed at the Cosmos Club as his guests.

Well, there must be a lot of demand for that, because I stayed in a room in a wing of apparently 1950s vintage attached to the old-school club building. We had our meeting and ate in the dining room – jackets required for breakfast – in the old club building. On one hand, we met Justice Sandra Day O’Connor in the lobby. On the other hand, I still rode the Metro to Dupont Circle with the hoi polloi. :stuck_out_tongue:

The Union League Club in Chicago is a very vibrant club. It’s still a club that a lot of business gets done in so local businesses still pay their employees dues. Much less stuffy then many clubs which is why I think they are doing well as it’s seen as a business, not social club. Other clubs, like the University or Standard Club are struggling because they are like country clubs without the golf.

I know Philadelphia has The Union League. I’m sure there are plenty of others.

I disagree with Chappachula about when these clubs were designed. The Union League was founded shortly after the start of the Civil War. I’m sure I can find plenty of snooty clubs in Philly dating back to the Revolution.