Omnibus Evil MFers in the news thread

I’m assuming these were random day laborers and not employees/owners of an actual business, but I’d laugh if it turns out they put a lien on the house before they started the work. Have fun getting that cleared up when you try to sell the house someday (or the shingle manufacturer takes you to court).

I have to say, I’m surprised there’s a law that specifically bans this practice, though it does seem like it only comes into play if they’re in the country legally. If they are, in fact, here illegally, she’s probably in the clear, at least WRT reporting them. She could probably have skirted the entire issue by having a neighbor report them or doing it anonymously. An anonymous ‘my neighbor hired a bunch of illegals’ call would make it harder to prove that she orchestrated the whole thing to get a free roof.

I would be even more surprised if it was enforced.

There’s been two recent cases in Wisconsin:

A Milwaukee family has been charged with intimidation after a man and his two sisters allegedly tried to keep a robbery victim from testifying by threatening to call immigration enforcement officers, or ICE.

https://www.courthousenews.com/accused-armed-robber-charged-with-setting-up-victim-to-be-deported-before-trial/

A Milwaukee man was charged with four felonies on Monday for framing an undocumented immigrant for acts of terror in order to prevent him from testifying about an armed robbery.

He “sent letters containing threats to President Donald Trump and other law enforcement officers to the Wisconsin Attorney General, the Milwaukee Police Chief and the Milwaukee Immigration and Customs Enforcement field office.”

While state laws vary, generally you can’t file a lien until work is completed, much less before starting the job.

I wasn’t aware of that, but in this case, the work was completed before she called ICE.

Indiana woman is accused of killing her lover after giving him a massage then killing his parents to keep them from getting custody of their kids.

Jenna Strouble, 30, of St. John, Indiana, is charged with nine counts of first-degree murder in the March 23 shooting deaths of her on-and-off romantic partner Jake Lambert, his mother Stacy Forde, 54, and her husband Patrick Forde, 55, at their home in Crete Township, police said. Strouble and Lambert shared two children, a 3-year-old son and a 4-year-old daughter.

She had purchased a massage gun, she told him, instructing him to recline the seat, take off his shirt and hat, and lie on his stomach. She rubbed his back for 20 minutes, and when he “criticized her technique,” reached under the seat for the Glock handgun stowed there, according to court documents.

As she massaged him, prosecutors say she pointed the gun at the back of his head for an estimated eight minutes, she told police, at times contemplating setting the gun down and “thinking she would do it another day.” She then shot Lambert in the back of the head, prosecutors say Strouble told police.

She stated she didn’t think the children were safe with their father or any grandparents, according to the filing. Prosecutors say Strouble told police she doesn’t spend time with the children, despite being unemployed, and said she had voluntarily turned them over to Lambert and his parents.

When asked if she considered killing her own parents, too, prosecutors allege that Strouble said she “had considered it but didn’t think she could go through with it.”

In a letter written the night before the killings, Strouble listed three people she thought would make good guardians of her children, prosecutors said.

Authorities said the two children were at the St. John home with Strouble and her parents at the time of her arrest.

Prosecutors say Strouble shot and killed Lambert, the father of her children, in the back of the head while giving him a massage. She then killed Lambert’s parents because she didn’t want them to have custody of their children.

I’m a little confused how they get 9 counts of first degree murder out of three dead people. But other than that, yeah, she takes the cake for individual evil (not government assisted evil) for the week for sure. And it’s only Tuesday.

I was going to suggest sloppy reporting, but WGN news Chicago has the same wording, as does WCSJ radio news. So now my guess is that this is either a technically accurate way to describe the main charges plus lesser or enhancement charges, or the people providing this information to the media are themselves sloppy in expressing what is going on.

Maybe it’s 3 counts of third degree murder, so they just did some math?

Given time she might have killed her parents, and maybe the kids. So 4 more potential bodies. After that I’m out of ideas.

From https://answers.justia.com/question/2025/10/11/why-charge-multiple-counts-for-one-murde-1079141

Yes of course there’s charge stacking, lesser included offenses and all that stuff. Which may make the charge count exceed the body count.

But the article asserts 9 counts of first degree murder. For just 3 bodies. All being the same charge, they can’t be various categories of homicide.

According to Google, premeditated killing of a particular person and killing someone in the course of committing another felony are both considered “first-degree murder” in many jurisdictions. So that’s two possible theories, but I don’t see any other possibilities. If they’re saying it might not have been premeditated, that should be second-degree.

Interesting.

Which suggests an enterprising prosecutor in those jurisdictions could charge somebody who killed n people with n2 counts of murder 1. IOW …

  • You are charged with premeditatedly killing person A, and in the course of that killing, also killing persons B & C. So 3 counts.

  • You are also charged with premeditatedly killing person B, and in the course of that killing, also killing persons A & C. So 3 more counts totalling 6.

  • You are also charged with premeditatedly killing person C, and in the course of that killing, also killing persons A & B. So 3 more counts totalling 9.

Then it would have been 27 counts. 3^3. Duh!

No, see, 3 counts at 3 degrees is the same as 9 counts at 1 degree, because 3x3=9x1.

I was told there would be no math.

There are words in the English language that never belong together.

I am against the death penalty but there are cases that come along where I question, “Even this one?” This is one of them and I’m going to have to mull it over a while.

A 26-year-old man in Seattle has been arrested after attempting to push a stranger in front of an oncoming train.

Court records indicate Melendez has been diagnosed with schizophrenia and has a documented history of mental health treatment.

The act was evil, but is the man?