Best summary I have seen so far. A+.
This is not a valid comparison. A pedophile thread wouldn’t just involve discussing the victimization of children, but advocating for it.
I think some people are upset because this issue has brought Cesario’s overall posting pattern into view, and the sum of the parts is far worse than any individual post (some of which are pretty awful in their own right). From my end, I hadn’t realized how single-minded he was until I did the search that prompted the Pit thread.
For me, it’s really the pattern that’s the problem. If he’d been posting about normal stuff all along and then admitted to being a pedophile and offered to host a Q&A, I’d have no problem with it, or him. But now that I see how single-minded his posting is, I think something needs to be done. If not by him exercising self-restraint, then by the mods.
Yeah, he’s a one-trick pony. Folks have definitely been banned for less.
Yes, but if he’s banned, the mods will no longer be able to post condescending admonitions highlighting their superior understanding of Freedom! Of! Speech!
Right before issuing warnings to other posters because they’re using the wrong sort of swear-words.
And, y’know, as somebody who’s been getting involved heavily in arguing the other side, your perspective is the one that makes a lot of sense to me. You’re basically saying he’s being disgusting and being a jerk. You’ve got an actual rational objection and you’re leaning on that rather than bigotry, so all right.
What I don’t get is why so many people who (it seems to me) obviously have the same objection as you, at its roots, are pretending that there are legal issues or board-rules-about-whatever issues. Pages and pages of increasingly hysterical and provably false silliness and either willful or just purely stupid misinterpretation of the situation gets frustrating after a while. And the next step of course is that the “defenders” who bother to point out that the absurd legalities and technicalities getting cited are, in fact, absurd, start getting insulted and ridiculously threatened. It’s a fucking witch hunt mentality when a perfectly rational one was available.
Well let me clear up your confusion. According to the super wise powers that be “being a jerk” means claiming to vandalize Wikipedia, a website that has nothing to do with this one. Of course there are those who say that CurtisLemay wasn’t suspend just because of that, but because he refused to do what he was told to do.
Uber faboo mode Marley pointed out for me earlier that the pedophile has been told over and over again to stop and it’s pretty obvious that he hasn’t stopped so I’m sure his suspension is just in the paperwork stages.
I’m just sure of it!
It’s also frustrating to see them ignore the questions they can’t explain away like why THIS person isn’t being given the EvilCaptor or Reeder treatment. They have all the time in the world to address the situations they believe they can prove wrong, but haven’t presented a reason why the pedophile hasn’t gotten a PM telling him to STFU about his sickness in threads that aren’t specifically about pedo garbage. Rules for some but not for others, awesome
OK, this I understand, certainly. I mean, what if I told Ed Zotti that the word “cunt” offends me and…oh, never mind. That would be censorship and it would be bad.
I continue to think that the issue of the incredible hypocrisy here is worth exploring, but yes, I am one of the offenderati in this instance, I suppose.
This, plus if he showed any inkling of that mayyyyyybe, maybe, his attraction to children is wrong.
I worked in a Psychiatric hospital many years ago, and we had a patient who was a self-admitted pedophile. He was torn up about it and wanted help. He was actually seeking chemical castration. I—who at the time was going through some of the worst years I had in dealing with my own sexual abuse, some of it by people who, you guessed it, used the “she wanted it” defense about a 6-year-old—had no problem at all fulfilling my work duties to support him and keep him safe. None.
I actually don’t agree with any of the arguments that legal action should be taken. People are upset, though, which I suspect is where some of the more emotional appeals are coming from. I have the luxury of being grossed out by Cesario only based on my moral compass and social taboos – it’s not personal for me. I’ve never been molested and I don’t have kids. If I was in either of those situations, I can’t say I could sit back and dispassionately discuss the logic of whether he should be allowed to espouse his views here or not. It’s a pretty visceral issue.
The mods here have always been very good about not allowing mob rule, and I don’t think that should change in this case. If any mod action is taken against Cesario, it should be (and almost certainly will be) because of what he has posted (or goes onto to post in the future), not because of the calls for action by others. I do think he’s been given too much leeway until now, but I doubt it’s intentional – it’s easy for people to slip under the radar.
He can’t do this. He is cursed with a sexual orientation which is locked into an attraction to young girls. He might say that it’s wrong, but deep in his heart I don’t think he would believe it.
Maybe he would admit that him acting on his desires - engaging in sexual activity - would be harmful and injurious to the children. But how could he bring himself to say that the desire, itself, is wrong?
No, shit for brains. Way to miss the point.
Yes, and obviously.** Carol Stream** was banned for being a chronic whiner, and generally annoying, yet baby-fucker here is kosher crab cakes for… constantly speaking of his desire to fuck little kids, entirely regardless of the topic at hand?** Curis LeMay** was suspended for writing too many insipid OPs and daring to admit he knowingly wrote false information on WikiPedia (which I suppose is an encyclopedia for jackasses), a website that has precisely dick to do with the SDMB.
Right. This is what people are saying. This MFer strutted into a flirting thread, into an intrusive DUI checkpoint thread, to mention his love of fucking babies. Why, for the love of mid-shelf Scotch, do you have to bring up how wrong you feel child pornography laws are in a thread about DUIs?
He threadshits all the time. I fancied myself pretty good at ignoring the sick fuck, until he deemed it mandatory to bring up his desire to schlong newborns into every goddamn discussion on the board.
Oh please, take this Freedom Fighter bullshit elsewhere. 1) There is no such thing as free speech on this board. 2) I don’t even think users should be stopped from initiating a discussion about their pedophilia. I think Cesario should be stopped for being trollimus maximus, and injecting his desire to inject his manmeat into babies fresh out of the incubator into every conversation he has. Some have suggested he is a troll, and is not a real pedophile. That’s a lovely theory, but let us agree that he *is *a pedophile, and isn’t making this up to get a rise out of people; is he no less trollish for bringing up his perversion into every unrelated topic? Surely pedophile =/= completely oblivious to reality. He’s acknowledged that society [del]has victimized him[/del] does not condone his stance on toddler boning, yet he cannot resist inserting this into every conversation? Purposely incendiary? Nah.
To hell with this noise. There’s a bandwagon every 8 days about what poster we need to chase out because he’s a meaniepants and no one likes him, and I’m never on that bandwagon, but this sonofabitch can eat a bag of dicks, grilled, seasoned in seven herbs and spices.
And since we’re all being clear, as I said WAY up in this thread, I am not an advocate for outright banning nor am I against the discussion of pedophilia as a topic.
I am however against the idea of allowing an alleged pedophile having a specific thread. I’d feel the same about holocaust deniers, stormfront fucks and a few other things that have no place being -given- a venue.
Oh and Jimmy, it has nothing to do with bigotry. You saying so doesn’t make it so. It’s too bad you and a few others can’t look past your own narrow points of view to see that.
ETA: Mean Old Lady, you’ll never get through to the stalwart defenders of free speech since heels have been dug in and they suffer from an absolute lack of perspective.
Like I said, ban him for that, just like any other user. Should be easy if he’s had multiple warnings. Unfortunately for your, er, point, a lot of other folks just want him gone cause he’s skeezy. Those people are wrong.
I’d quote the rest of your post, but honestly, it just repeated what you said above, albeit in a more amusingly descriptive way.
eta: Just like any other user should be tempered with the usual caveats that it depends upon the alignment of the planets, what the mods had for dinner last night, the level of sunspot activity, and the vowel:consonant ratio of the names of the 378th to the 455th most valuable stocks in the same hour on the preceding Wednesday.
I don’t think there is anything in the “mods are being hypocritical” argument as people are triumphantly assuming.
I have no difficulty at all in drawing an intellectual line between the mods saying that they won’t accept unnecessarily offensive rhetoric here but will accept people expressing views that (no matter how politely put) are inherently offensive.
This line is rationally defensible: posters don’t have to use terms like “cunt” or “motherfucker” to get their point across so offence can be avoided without substantive disruption to the ability to converse. But if the OP has certain views on a topic that offend everyone, then to avoid offence there is no alternative but to prevent him from posting on the topic, which generally goes against the culture of the boards.
Personally, I don’t agree with TPTB’s decision to ban certain magic swear words at all. But those suggesting the mods’ present position on the poster at hand involves any inherent hypocrisy are incorrect, IMHO.
No, it isn’t what people are saying, which is how we got here. Look at the title of this thread again. He wanted to start a thread and keep all the awful stuff in it, and people are really upset by the idea. That’s what started all of this. So how can it be the case that what all those people are saying is that he should just post his own threads and keep his biological inclination out of other threads?
I can not for the life of me figure out why people just keep saying things that are so clearly not true.
Fine, yes, then. The latter is more what I meant. An acknowledgment that acting on it is wrong, and perhaps laying off the idea that a child in his preferred range could ask for sex* with full understanding of what they were asking/consenting to* without it being harmful.
(bolding mine)
Where did he say he planned to confine his remarks on pedophilia to the one thread?
Intellectual purist?
Intellectual purist?
This is getting surreal.
He didn’t say so, Giraffe, as far as I know, so I should have phrased that differently. My apologies.
I was assuming that, given that Marley said a few times that he has already been warned several times for posting in unrelated threads, this was his response and a way of avoiding that, and that he would have been held to such a restriction once he had a proper forum, so to speak (since Marley said he was going to be held to the restriction either way).
But no, you’re right that he didn’t actually say that was his purpose.
Well, babies do have intellects, so I guess pursuing babies is intellectual pursuit.