I respectfully disagree with your closing of this thread
While I agree with the premise that equating pedophilia with homosexuality isn’t valid. I think the thread represented a chance for Dopers to address an issue that I can’t recall ever being addressed from the point of view of a pedophile perspective, if the OP is to be believed.
While the subject manner is uncomfortable, and I’m sure some are downright sickened by it, it is a subject worthy of debate. Especially given the heightened awareness of it in the media.
Perhaps you might ask the poster to narrow the scope of his argument.
That’s it no swearing (sorry BBQers) just a rather focused criticism.
There is a difference between abstract discussion of a social sickness and personal justification of said sickness.
When you add in the very real possibility that it was a ruse designed to show that homosexuality and pedophilia were morally equivilant, you can see why I locked it.
BTW-sorry about the loss of your post, Milossarian. IMHO, it would have won you a Nobel and a Pulitzer.
Too bad, so sad.
I’m curious as to why a IMHO mod closed a GD thread. Why wouldn’t you let a mod who is responsible for the forum in question close the thread instead of doing it yourself?
While we can – and often do – discuss damn near anything on this board, there are a few things that are by their very nature unbearable.
This was one of them.
The thread that we removed from view was an apologia from a pedophile. His opinion was that he is not a sick sorry potentially child raping bastard but just misunderstood, it’s just his kink and someday perhaps a more tolerant society will allow him more than just his fantasies.
No. And not here. Not ever.
I’m sorry if you feel we deprived you of your chance to get face to face with real sickness . . . to give him a piece or two of your mind. . . but that’s not appropriate either. Child molestors can’t be rehabilitated and don’t change and I’m sure he got some sort of thrill just from showing you his true nasty self. To encourage such behavior on this board brings us to a place I don’t ever want to be. It’s not fighting ignorance, it’s giving house room to evil.
We’ll occasionally cross forum boundaries when it is felt that something requires fast action. We aren’t all on-line, nor do we all monitor our e-mail, constantly. I’m sure if you poke around, you’ll find other instances of mods taking action outside their own forum.
This may be the only time I’ve ever publicly disagreed with a moderator in a moderating decision, but in my not even remotely humble opinion, this is simply stupid. What it boils down to is, “We can have an abstract discussion about pedophilia, as long as we don’t include any actual pedophiles in it.”
I had caught the OP playing free and loose with definitions, making me strongly suspect that he has indeed engaged in more than just the fantasies he was talking about, and was just about to call him on it. We wouldn’t have let him get away with “personal justification of said sickness” we just need a moment to catch our breaths and get our facts straight.
Ah, well, the vanishment is probably for the best. It was bound to get ugly.
Fair enough Czarcasm I didn’t really expect to change your position, merely give my take on it.
TubaDiva I didn’t read it that way, or it may be that I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.
I still disagree, I think it was at least an opportunity to find out what goes on in the head of these people. I in no way thought that he’d change anyones opinion on pedophilia, as evidenced by the responses. But it seemed a great chance for a learning experience.
Locking it, I understand, but mainly from a pre-emptive sort of way–that thing was Pit-bound in a big way, and it would have been an ugly way. I caught it just minutes after the lock went on–all in all, nothing surprising, pretty standard-issue “but in a different societiiiiiiiieeeeeyyyyy” whining, with some master-of-the-bleeding-obvious styling on “the difference between raping and not raping is that when you don’t rape, you don’t rape”–both standard and predictable pedophilia-defense positions. As a “ruse,” however, it was a poor one, and I’m sorry you have such a poor opinion of the TM’s general ability to think (and that from a cheerfully self-admitting cynic!).
But…er, from what I can tell, it sure does look like it’s actually deleted now. The link don’t work–fair enough, people typo their links all the time. But neither is it on the GD page any longer.
That I don’t even partially agree with, and for that, I agree with pldennison’s final assessment. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
I saw that thread just before I went to a meeting, thought, saw that it was a first time poster, registered today. Those alone ring bells (IMHO) of potential trouble.
I thought the guy was either trolling (obvious shocking material to outrage etc.) or the real deal. When I came back from the meeting, and saw him post something to the effect of “age doesn’t matter” and that in his opinion, the kids weren’t harmed, I was readying my response (um, well, yea, age matters, especially relative ages, and of course the risk of physical harm from an adult sized person having sexual relations with a child sized person was pretty great and certainly does happen), when I saw it was closed.
I’ve talked to many pedophiles in my work. (more, I suspect than the average person here). Some have come to understand that there was harm involved. Others did not. To allow some one to continue to delude themselves that ‘harm doesn’t occur’ is not fighting ignorance. And we are not trained here to successfully penetrate that particular curtain (IOW, if he really believed that, he needed to be in treatment, period.)
Wow, for once I actually saw something before it got deleted.
On the one hand, I disagree with Czar - I didn’t see it going down the “pedophilia = homosexuality” road, and I thought people were asking real questions and he was giving real answers. On the other hand, it’s obvious that kind of thread could very quickly get very out of control without constant supervision, and y’all have enough to do, and he also could have turned out, in the end, to be a troll.
It’s a shame - it could have turned out to be a very, very good thread.
I have to ask, though - why did you delete it outright? The information that was already there was pretty good, IMHO.
Well said. I have worked with both pedophiles and their victims, and the scarriest thing about this guy is that he didnt see it as wrong or harmfull. The fact that he thinks that the damage is only because of society, tells me that it is likely in the future he will rationalize his way towards acting on it(if he really hasnt already).
THANK YOU MODS for closing and deleting that thread. I saw it earlier today, must have been after it just started. There wasn’t that much posted when I read through it, so I didn’t read what some of the others are talking about, but I can imagine.
When I read the OP I was sick to my stomach and angry. I was molested by my father while growing up. He started when I was about 2 or 3 and continued until I was in my teens. To be blunt, he raped me, forced his dick into my mouth, stuck his fingers and other things inside me, etc. I think he must be a pedophile, because supposedly he also molested my niece and nephew, when they were about 4 years old.
Personally, I DON’T want to hear about a child molester’s point of view. As Lynn said, it’s not “just a kink”. I don’t want to listen to any justifications, because there are none. Child molesting is a CRIME, and if we don’t allow discussions of things like drug use on the boards, then we shouldn’t allow things like the OP.
I’ll probably get flamed for my viewpoint, or things I’ve said, but I don’t care. It’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.
I think you are 100% justified in your opinion moggy, and it really makes me angry when I hear stories like yours. It’s disgusting, and I wish it could be stopped somehow.
But we are allowed to discuss other illegal things on this board like drugs. I remember there was once a very interesting thread in GD about beastiality, and I’m sure that’s a criminal act in some states. (Not nearly on par with pedophilia, but just an example of other criminal activities we are allowed to discuss here.)
