On dumping acquaintances

Me and my SO have hang out with this couple socially that we met a while back - maybe a year and a half ago. They are pretty interesting people, and we have a good time with them when we hang out. Recently, we went to a little get together with them and a couple of their friends.

Most of their friends are nice people, but this one guy is just a raging asshole in my opinion. They all just sort of accept him as he is - but it just kind of started gnawing at me that they found this person acceptable to be friends with. Then, it kind of dawned on me, I thought, “I don’t need to hang out with any of these people; they’re not family, they’re not even really friends; I don’t have to hang out with them any more.”

My SO was kind of pissed at me and thought I was being mean and unfair, but I stuck to my original idea of staying away from them. I guess it is a little unfair to judge them so harshly based upon the fact that I don’t like someone they hang out with, but I just don’t have the time and energy to deal with people who tolerate or always make excuses for jerks unless they’re is a more serious relationship involved.

Just thought I’d share.

So there’s no possible way you could hang out with this couple, who you apparently always had a good time with, when they’re not hanging out with the objectionable guy? Did you even give the other couple a chance to offer this as an alternative?

I guess people really are judged by the company they keep.

Really, though, I can understand how some people “we get along” isn’t enough. For some, that means if you a criminal or you treat other people badly they don’t hang out with you. For others, if you are friends with criminals or people who treat others badly they don’t want to hang out with you. If you find that acceptable, they don’t find you acceptable. I admit, I cannot get people who are okay with someone they care about or love (romantically or platonically) who is abusive or shitty to others because that person treats them well.

Not having an idea about what “asshole” encompasses, I really can’t speak to this case.

I hate to Dear Abby you, but why not talk to the one couple you like and just be straightforward?

“We really enjoy your company, but Bob X just grinds our gears. Different stroke for different folks. /shrug/ What about just the four of us get together?”

I mean if they ask why, you don’t have to go into detail. Just say something bland like, “Not a good match for us.” and leave it at that. If you give detail they’ll start to defend him, or explain.

If they do start to defend him or excuse him, You can always just tell them you don’t care.

Being straightforward is underrated for some reason.

Yes. And, sadly, it is a GOOD reason.

I think it’s curious that your tolerance for assholes seems to stretch from; could tolerate if relatives or closer relationship, could not possibly tolerate for friend of a friend?

For myself, I find I’m NOT willing to tolerate assholes, even in my family tree, but find it much easier to tolerate someone as removed as ‘friend of a friend’.

Mostly what **Marion_Wormer **said in post #4.

The OP said “I just don’t have the time and energy to deal with people who tolerate or always make excuses for jerks unless they’re is a more serious relationship involved.”

Does that mean the OP has actually had that straightforward conversation with their immediate friends & gotten back excuses about Mr. Jerk? Or does the OP just assume that’s what would happen if such a conversation ever happened?

If the former, sounds like you known what you want, namely cut them off. The only remaining issue is arriving at a suitable compromise with your wife. Nobody else’s thoughts matter.

If the latter, see post #4.

The thing is, the OP had one experience with this friend-of-a-friend, so at most a few hours. They don’t know if he’s always a raging asshole, if he was having a bad night, if he’s on medication for some kind of illness that makes him grumpy… anything. Sure, maybe he’s always a raging asshole, but maybe he’s been friends with the other couple for decades and is a great guy in many ways. And we have no idea what ‘raging asshole’ means- is he an outspoken Republican in a Democrat social circle (or vice versa)? Or is he aggressively bumping chests with the men and grabbing the women’s asses?

My former husband was often on steroids for his cystic fibrosis, plus his oxygen sats could dip as low as the upper 50s. It made him… challenging to be with socially, because often he just didn’t realize what he was doing/saying. I’m really glad people took the time to ask what was going on rather than just dismiss him after a few hours of interaction.

In short, there’s no law that states you have to be friends with your friends’ friend, or that you need to hang out with them socially. It seems like these friends of yours weren’t very important to you if you’re throwing away an 18 month relationship over something so small.

I agree with this. I think you’re being a little too quick on the gun. Now, obviously you can choose who you’re friends with for whatever reason.

Why was he such an asshole? There’s a large gamut here.

I’ve known, and have been friends with, who could easily be classified as an asshole (not to mention my assholish tendencies).

Was he just too familiar? They’ve been around him long enough to not even notice.
I knew someone who, at first glance, was a huge dick. But he was incredibly loyal and the dickishness was just an exterior. I trusted him with my life.

Does he just, like, really hate black people and Mexicans? He sees them and starts punching people and puppies? Well, that one’s a bit more difficult to explain.

I think people keep confusing friends with acquaintances. They are two very different things to me. Acquaintances are there for the good times - and that’s it. There is no responsibility, no commitment, no need to understand or really care about each other’s problems. Acquaintances should just be fun. On the other hand, I would go to extraordinary lengths to salvage or maintain a friendship - much greater lengths than I would go to to resolve problems with acquaintances. Also, I understand that the lines between the two are a little different for everyone, so since I have not clarified it until now, nobody would know for sure what I mean when I use these terms.

As far as the assholishness of their friend goes; think of a broad crosssection of banned posters boiled down into their essential elements of arguing disingenuously, rudely, attacking people and not ideas and you pretty much have an idea of this guy. He is a very intelligent person, yet almost every single conversation descends very quickly into an argument where he is trying to overpower or put down people who think anything different. He is somewhat of an intellectual bully I feel. To some extent however, that is neither here nor there; I am somewhat of a buffoon - so on the whole I do not want to come across as feeling like I am a better person than him; there is certainly plenty that anyone could find fault with me. What it does boil down to is that he is tiresome to listen to for me, I just do not find it entertaining, and even find his manner makes me somewhat uncomfortable and awkward. I think what also itrritates me is how he treats the wife of the couple I am acquainted with - I like hearing what she has to say, she is one of the most brilliant people I have ever met in my entire life, but, for whatever reason she just goes along with allowing him to overpower the conversation.

To further expound upon this friend of theirs, he is somebody they have known for 2 years about, and is not a long term friend from childhood that they kind of put up with despite his irritating qualities. What this says to me, or to my gut I guess would be a little better way of putting it, is that they kind of seek this behavior out in people, that it is almost a plus for them in a way. It’s hard to say for certain, but I have known plenty of people in the past who always gravitate towards people with kind of toxic qualities like that - or I guess I should say toxic in the sense that they are qualities mature, self confident people tend to stay away from.

Not that there’s anything wrong with being a little immature or lacking the type of self confidence that tends to make abrasive people seem annoying and not interesting, to each his own. For me though, I think that I just would rather spend time doing things with or getting to know people who have the same idea of what is appropriate and what is not.

What is weird about all this is that I never in the past judged people by the company they keep, but now it seems like an ok thing to do on some nonintellectual level. I felt a little bad at first about that, but now I don’t; mainly because I am not close friends with this couple so it won’t make a big difference in anyone’s life if I’m absent from the occasional gathering with them that I used to be non absent from.

I’m still missing part of this.

I totally get not wanting to hang around with Mr. Conversational Bully. I’d gladly skip any event with him in it too. What I’m not understanding is this:

Are you saying
A) You don’t want to hang with these interesting acquaintances ever just because they tolerate Mr. CB on occasions you’re not there with them.

OR

B) You want to avoid Mr. CB and the only way to be sure of that is to also always avoid these interesting acquaintances just in case Mr. CB happens to show up.

I think A is more accurate. I am judging them on the company they keep. It might be a wrong thing to do, but as I said before it’s not really going to effect things. I think really I’m kind of growing tired of interesting people. I’d rather have fewer close friends, boring people I understand, than a bunch of acquaintances. Actaully I would just rather spend more time reading than wasting a lot of time with casual relationships that have little potential. Or I could get a second job. Or build a boat maybe - lots of better ways to spend my time.

So how do people get a chance to move from one to the other, or why would they even want to, when you clearly think you don’t need to give a shit about any of them?

It’s hard to tell who will be a good friend and who will not. It’s not so much whether I give a shit about them or not - it’s more a question of who do you decide to make an effort to become better acquainted with.

I just sort of felt how I felt after the last time I hung out with them - and it was a decidedly emotional and non-intellectual approach. I kind of feel that’s what I want to do. I have this habit my whole life of being around charismatic people who never make good friends - not the type of friends I see other people have. So, I’m doing something different.

I’m 38 - I probably should have learned all these things 15 years ago, but I didn’t.

Then my advice is this: Make more of an effort to care about the people who do the things you like to do and are fun to hang out with. Show them you care.

For my part, how people react to me is a big part of whether or not we become friends. If they’re aloof and uncaring, I don’t make more of an effort to get to know them. So just from my example, you’re being written off by people who may become good friends on the basis of your behaviors.

In short, you’re letting your fear of intimacy and rejection cause you to reject good people.

I don’t really have a fear of rejection. I’ve experienced it plenty of times, and here I am.

I’m more afraid of spending a lot of time always choosing the wrong for me people to associate with, Ive spend lots of time doing that in my life.

What really happened is that I doubt that my acquaintances are really “good” people in the sense that they are the type of people that I’d really ever bond with. I was not really sure, but then when I see the kind of person they gravitate towards, and the type of behavior they’re OK with - I think they just have different priorities than me. And that’s OK, there is nothing wrong with their priorities, I just want to really focus on spending more time finding people with priorities similar to mine.