On Pakistan, Islam and cannabis

In this video, two Pakistani Muslims eat cake that is broadly at as being made with cannabis. The guys get baked and have a good time.

The comments are all over the place. Putting aside the matter that it looks as if the producers drugged two men without their consent, there’s a lot of discussion about Islam and cannabis. Some say it’s haram because it’s an intoxicant, end of story. Others say it’s halal because it’s a plant that grows in the ground, the Koran doesn’t specifically forbid it like it does with alcohol, etc.

I get that Islam doesn’t have a singular authoritative body like Catholicism has the Vatican, and that this is going to vary from sect to sect and culture to culture. Which is why I’m asking specifically about the matter in Pakistan, since these guys are Pakistani. I know we have a Pakistani Doper who can help us sort this out but I forget his name.

FWIW, an Israeli Doper mentioned in another thread that at least some Palestinian Muslims like the sticky icky, and Israeli cops look the other way because it’s part of the Palestinians’ culture.

My job buddy for the last seven years was a Pakistani Muslim, and we spoke at length about his belief. I asked him this very question about weed (along with many other topics like baco-bits and impossible sausage).

He told me that weed was definitely not to be indulged in as because it intoxicated your sacred bodily vessel. He was rather devote and acknowledged that not everyone was so devoted.

Well now I have to know where he landed on bacon bits. Since they’re soy, I’m guessing halal.

Ruling on using spices that give pork flavour - Islam Question & Answer

Allah has forbidden pork because it is impure and unclean.

But if it is manufactured artificially and is not made from pork, then it is at least makrooh, because it is an imitation of something that Allah has forbidden. What the believer should do is keep away from haraam things and shun them, and not enjoy them or look for foods that are similar to them.

Moreover that may be a means of getting used to the taste of pork, which would make it easier to eat it later on.

And Allah knows best.

Makruh - Wikipedia

In Islamic terminology, something which is makruh or makrooh (Arabic: مكروه, transliterated: makrooh or makrūh ) is “discouraged”.[1] This is one of the five categories (al-ahkam al-khamsa ) in Islamic law – wajib/fard (obligatory), Mustahabb/mandub (recommended), mubah (neutral), makruh (disapproved), haram (forbidden).[2]

I don’t know of anyone currently living in Pakistan on this board. I only lived there as a child and young adult and that was a long time ago (in the 1960s, 70s and 80s). During my high school and college years we had a massive heroin epidemic and we had Islamization of the judicial system too. Basically remaking and recharacterization of secular law to be in compliance with Sharia.

Everyone I knew regarded heroin use (and all drugs that are widely proscribed, including marijuana and cocaine) as sinful under Islamic law. But its possession, use and trade was illegal under secular law anyway.

There are many competing sources of Islamic law even within Pakistan, but I would be surprised if any of them opined that taking mind-altering substances is halal, even at the lowest level (Makruh = discouraged).

You are the Doper who I thought lived in Pakistan. My apologies for getting it wrong.

There was another poster (I think two actually) but one hasn’t been seen for a very long time and the other was banned a few years ago.