You are clearly taking the side of the evil, anti-gay movement on this issue, so I’m not going to give you that benefit of the doubt.
:rolleyes:
oookaaaayyyy
Guess Some information should be suppressed, like someone’s experience.
okay. 
ladies ad getlemen: Kirkland’s twin!
I don’t think information should be suppressed. But it shouldn’t be supported, either. It should only be mentioned to be derided or spat upon. Like slavery.
Huh?
She’s talking about a former poster, Kirkland. Kirkland was gay (well, he IS gay, I just speak of him like that because he’s no longer here), and was also a complete fucking nutjob, who was extremely hostile to everyone and anyone.
I’m sure you remember or at least have heard of the former His4ever/Lynn73, a conservative Christian who was always preaching against gays, and anyone who wasn’t a fundy Jack Chick Christian, but whined when we Pitted her for it. (Major martyr complex, that one).
Anyhoo, it came out that His4ever’s first husband was extremely abusive to her, even going so far as to rape her and threatening to do the same to her sister. While none of us like His, we all sympathize, cuz that’s just evil. Not Kirkland. He said that he was GLAD she was raped and beaten.
He was banned.
Actually, come to think of it, he was banned twice-once, then appologized and allowed back, then fell back into his old habits. I can’t remember if the incident above was the first time he was banned or the last and final time.
Either way, he was a real asshole. But when we told him that, he said it was okay because he was gay, so he was allowed to be, or something like that.
vanilla, I don’t think you’re a bigot, I think you’re too guillible sometimes. Your heart is in the right place, but you need to start being more of a skeptic. You originally mentioned this guy as if it were a FACT that homosexuals can change. Maybe you didn’t mean it that way, but that’s how it sounded.
And yes, I think some people are still hurting over your little pitting from a month or so ago, when you basically called us all heathens and how you preferred your other friends, (Joe/Jersey/His).
Trust me when I say we weren’t amused by it, nor do we care to give that trio the time of day.
Guin, Yes, I see how it could’ve been taken that way but I have mentioned that exact same guy and his experience on here before.
I was just saying I knew someone in real life who claimed; and it does eem, like he had really changed.
Though I hadn’t known him Before this happened.
Re: Kirk, oh my. I didn’t know he had said that about His; he just pm’d me the other night about this thread. :eek:
I know I am not a bigot.
I will go and spend some time at www.randi.org for a while. 
(skeptic training)
(i do anyway)
Exactly. Fuck 'em. Fuck anyone who’d say an individual has no right to self-determination because of a political agenda.
Kirkland, indeed.
and I apologize.
When all the christians you know seem to state something, you can get caught up in it too.
Then, of course, you can see things that just aren’t right, that all is not black and white (oh the things I’ve seen posted…)
But didn’t the religion poll show the majority here to be atheists?
IS that the same as heathen?
anyway, only the man himself knows the true story, I was just repeating it.
Kirkland pointed out the inconsistancies in her belief system. She was willing to take the bible passages condemning gays completely literally, but she arbitrarily chose to disregard the passages which would have condemned her as an adulteress for remarrying after her divorce.
I think Kirkland was completely justified in hammering that point home to her and showing her how cruel fundamentalism was. If she wasn’t willing to admit that her own bible calls her an adulteress, how did she have any right to condemn sodomites?
Technically, almost – “heathen” just means non-Christian and can include people of other religions.
Meaningfully, though, not at all. “Heathen” has a definite connotation of value judgement attached to it. Basically, when you call someone that you’re condemning them to hell. “Atheist” is just a description of belief (or, I guess, non-belief) and doesn’t imply any judgement.
For what it’s worth, I can relate to what you’re saying in the first part. I spent most of my life believing that homosexuality is wrong. It wasn’t until I started to ask myself why it was wrong, and wasn’t able to come up with anything other than “because it’s what I’ve always been taught,” that I was able to get comfortable with it.
vanilla, I’m a heathen (atheist) and I think your heart’s in the right place, for what it’s worth.
Just one comment: “heathen” is sort of like “nigger.” Members of the tribe can call each other that, but it’s rather bad form for an “outsider” to do the same.
To the point where he said she deserves rape? No fucking way.
If you’ll also recall, we ALL were trying to point out to her the double standard there.
Kirkland wasn’t kidding when he said she deserved to be beaten and raped. Being gay doesn’t give him an excuse to be a misogynist bastard, as most of us noted.
THAT was wrong.
Ah, Guin; heres a quote: “Why are we being enslaved by radical homosexualism?”
Yah, some people actually think that.
:eek:
Well, not on the first date, anyway . . .
Dude, are you high? A depressed, mentally unstable blogger doing himself active harm is not by any stretch of the imagination “self-determination.” All he is doing by giving in tto fundy hate agenda is wreaking long-term psychological damge to himself. That you think this is something admirable is disgusting. Really, deeply loathsome.
You heathens might not like the term, but it is in no way similar to the degrading of another’s self-worth that is contained in the legacy of “nigger.” “Kike,” "spic, “faggot,” sure, but “heathen”? Please. A bunch of spoiled suburbanites who want to play at being wizards and witches are hardly face the same legacy of pain as people whose ancestors have endured four centuries of slavery, rape, lynching, and dehumanization.
Don’t make stupid comparisons like that if you want to be taken seriously. If you don’t like being called "heathens, " then say so and I’ll call you Wiccans or whatever you request, but to compare “heathen” to “nigger” is historically illiterate.
:dubious:
The quote I quoted was from His/Lynn.
You guys (gays) are trying to take over!
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! 
When you do, can you please get us a better president? If they must be gay, John Waters will be fine with me.
Thanks.
gobear, I am anything but a “spoiled suburbanite playing at etc…” I am an atheist, just like you.
As to your stupid “historically illiterate” comment:
I am well aware of the historical persecution of Jews, blacks, and gays. I think you are confusing the issue, however. Being labeled in a derogatory tone for “otherness” is demeaning and, when it’s backed up with threat of violence (I grew up in West by Gawd Virginia, and it was a very common occurence), it does tend to make one aware of all kinds of bigotry.
Glad to know what you actually think of me. I think, next time you are trying to argue a good point and you’re being piled on, I’ll just watch it happen rather than advocate for you.
Fine by me, it isn’t as if I’ve even noticed you on my side before. One thing I know for a fact is that I’m the only person on my side in this world. As for what I think of you, I don’t think of you. I don’t even know you. I think your religion is silly, but I think that of all religion, so don’t think Wiccans are being picked on.
Being picked on for your otherness indeed sucks, and I definitely empathize with your for growing up different in the barbarian wilds of West Virginia, but the idea that “heathen” is equivalent to “nigger” is ridiculous. “Nigger” bears an historical racial injury so grievous that comparing it to the non-favored term for a boutique religion is an insult to the generations of black people who’ve had to live with the label of inferiority, of “niggerness” inflicted by white America.
Oh fuck :rolleyes:
I pointed out to you that I am an atheist, and I haven’t excactly been shy about pointing that out on the boards. I am definitely not a member of any “boutique religion,” or any religion, for that matter!
I am well aware of the historicity of the word “nigger.” Sorry you didn’t get my point, I don’t care to explain it to you any more, since I think you’re smart enough to get it.
In many of the threads on gay issues, I weighed in supporting the treatment of gays as full citizens. You know, marriage rights, etc. One time, you were fighting a losing battle, and I suggested that you step back and chill a little, the better to frame your arguments. You thanked me. You specifically acknowledged me. Go ahead and search, it’s there.
Man! Sometimes I feel like I’m posting into a fucking vacuum!
In bold print on the list of things I don’t want in a President is “Has paid another human being to eat dog feces on film.”