This is another Big Lie being repeated by those who oh so dearly want to believe Uncle Barry would never tell a lie. I can’t speak for everyone, but I do NOT currently have a shitty insurance plan. It pays for annual checkups, flu vaccinations and other preventative care. It covers ER visits. It includes prescription drugs. It has no lifetime limit on benefits.
I am happy with my plan, and want to keep it, which is what my president told me I could do. Over and over again. But I can’t, and he knew it.
He lied. Simple as that.
And for the record, Social Security and Medicare might not be socialism, but they are welfare - transferring wealth and income from one segment to another. I wouldn’t point to either as proof of affordable, sustainable or efficient government programs.
Yes, if only he hadn’t lied. Do you feel the need to rush into other threads and post what folks who engaged in false advertising should have said instead? Would you stick up for private-citizen fraudsters who engage in plainspoken dishonesty, or just figure they should be fined and jailed?
What do you suggest? I looked on the government’s website as well as a couple of other privately-run websites (valuepenguin and einsurance) and ALL available plans cost significantly more than what I pay now, even the crappy ‘bronze’ plans that have a large family deductible and THEN only pay 60% of medical bills until you hit a $12,700 family deductible. I have a grand total of three insurance companies to choose from. How exhaustive can I be?
Obama has shown a marked inability to defend the ACA. The horror stories of massive rate increases, happily passed along as truth by those committing journalistic malpractice, are for the most park complete hogwash. Obama has been a beacon of truth compared to serial liars like Sarah Death Panels Palin, Sean Hannity, and the like.
I’m wondering, did you find exactly what you expected to find? Was this a surprise? Reason I ask is that you present yourself as a adherent to the Contrarian political persuasion, they all suck and no good can come of any of this. Like all political persuasions, the contrarian position can make you vulnerable to confirmation bias, it is nearly universal amongst the naveled.
Oh, and welcome aboard. We welcome all stripes of political persuasion, even the Contrarian. The main difference is that most of us grouse and bitch in a more focused manner, but I do not suggest that this makes us more accurate or worthy, merely more selective.
Did the president cancel your policy or did your insurer? Again, a less clumsy wording would have been “if you’re happy with your plan AND it conforms to the ACA AND your insurer keeps offering it, you can keep it.”
As the estimable Jon Stewart noted: in the Republican offering, if you don’t currently have a doctor, you can keep on not having the doctor you already don’t have.
And you can keep going to the emergency room for a sprained ankle, and someone else will keep paying the bill for you.
Boy, it must be grueling trying to defend Owebama. Getting harder as the days go on, too.
Oh, and Jon Stewart is an ass, and hasn’t been funny for years.
And you’ll presumably still be plugging away for the guy if ‘death panels’ ever are the order of the day: what he should have said, you’ll opine, is that of course there are death panels; there’s always a point where there’s not enough to go around, and hard choices have to be made instead of just doing everything possible to keep you alive; it’s obvious to anyone with half a brain; chill the fuck out; privately-run death panels that were a lot worse are being replaced by governmental ones that are a lot better; beacon of truth for the win, y’all.
Mostly snarky, because there is no serious way to discuss whether or not the president was lying. He was. There is absolutely no doubt about that. Posting what he “shoulda, coulda, woulda said” if he were inclined to tell the truth is disingenuous and speculative.
If you want to discuss health care, how it should be provided and who pays for it, then start a new thread about that. I may join in and offer my thoughts.
And what do you mean it’s MY offer? What did I offer?
I don’t get what you’re saying BobLibDem. Are you agreeing that Obama lied and should have said those things or are you saying that when he said I could keep my plan, he really meant - and I should have known he meant - all that stuff you said?
I’m also curious about your take on my situation. My son’s plan was cancelled due to the requirement for dental under ACA and so his piece of shit plan went from
No dental (not needed since I have separate dental for him)
Low annual out of pocket
$110/month
to the apparently better plan of
Dental (not needed since I have separate dental for him)
A couple thousand more in annual out-of-pocket limit
$130/month
I get the complaints about burdens placed on grandfathered plans, but I really don’t understand the complaints about plans like Saint Cad’s son’s that were purchased for the first time recently.
Why does the cancellation of a non-compliant plan purchased after 2010–at a time when the insurer (and the insured, if they had looked) knew that it would be non-compliant–contradict Obama’s “Keep Your Plan” rhetoric?
Additionally, since the insurer knew that such plans were non-compliant when issued, shouldn’t they have warned people that the coverage would be cancelled imminently?
Why don’t you just cancel the other dental you have, save money on that policy, and then everything will even out by the fact that its added to this policy, right? Or do you just want to pay twice for dental so you have something to slam Obama with? Your problem seems very far from unsolvable.
What I’m saying is that a ton of people have junk insurance and those people weren’t truly insured, thus if their policies could not be renewed they aren’t getting screwed by the plan. So I believe that Obama didn’t mean to include them in the “if you’re happy with your insurance” statement since if they had any brains, they wouldn’t be happy. Those that had their compliant insurance by the cutoff date do indeed get to keep it, so the statement is true. You have to look at things through anti-Obama lenses to make it out to be a lie.
Look at BobLibDem’s vitriol. The issue was not whether or not my son’s plan could be grandfathered in, but rather that not every plan that people are losing are “piece of shit” plans that are made wonderful by ACA. My son’s plan was pretty good and was “improved” by adding a ACA required element I don’t even need and now makes the plan more expensive. I’m not sure if BLD will acknowledge that as an unintended consequence or if he honestly believes the new ACA-compliant plan is better and if so worth the extra costs.
