The Jews of Israel have made it very clear that the “Christians of Israel” are “Palestinians” “Arabs” or whatever else you’d like to describe them.
They’re all issued IDs which state “Nationality: Arab”.
The Druze within most of Israel have insisted that they are not Arabs, take being called “Arab” to be an insult and pushed hard so that on the IDs they carry it says “Nationality:Druze”.
That said, outside of the military and the police, they’re certainly not treated as equals because, to be blunt, they’re not Jews in a state which defines itself as “the sovereign state of the Jewish people NOT of it’s citizens.”
Beyond that, the Druze of the Golan Heights have made it very clear that they have no desire to be Israelis and consider themselves to be occupied by an enemy.
And under such condition, I do not believe that there can be major discrimination against the Druze. Christians can also demonstrate things that the Druze have and can attain similar status, cant they?
Wikipedia is an extremely shitty source for reliable information on controversial topics.
You’re arguing that because the Druze are conscripted into the IDF that they can’t face discrimination? That outside of the IDF they have a tough time getting employed as anything other than cops or private security?
Ok, then by your standards African-Americans faced little discrimination in the US from 1940-present day because they were drafted and actively recruited by the US military.
The Druze are certainly treated better than Muslims and Christians, but they certainly face discrimination.
No, Christian Arabs are certainly treated vastly worse than the Druze.
I’d recommend reading David Shipler’s Pulitzer Award winning* Arab and Jew: Wounded Spirits in a Promised Land *and Sleeping on a Wire by David Grossman for those interested in learning about discrimination against Christian Arabs in Israel.
David Shipler was the New York Times Bureau Chief in Israel and David Grossman is one of Israel’s most distinguished journalists who, for personal reasons, can hardly be viewed as an “Arab lover”.
They are both vastly more reliable than wikipedia articles put together by anonymous activists with axes to grind.
I certainly won’t pretend that I agree with the idiots who care nothing for the Palestinians or their cause or the discrimination Muslims and Middle Easterners but just lover to sock it to the Jews but that certainly doesn’t make me an apologist for Israel.
It’s worth noting this was a decision imposed by Israel’s courts not it’s legislative of executive branch.
I’m hardly a fan of Israel’s government or someone who sees Zionism as something other that an archaic form of 19th Century blood nationalism, but the Israeli courts have long stood up for human rights and deserve to be commended for that.
I am sure African-Americans are happy in USA even though there may be some discrimination against them and Likewise, Druze are happy and do not want separate country and so, serve in Israeli army. I had said I do not believe that there can be* major discrimination** against the Druze.* and I stand by that.
Why wouldn’t similar status be given to arab christians if they demonstrated similar loyalty?
Not exactly – the courts instructed the Ultra-Orthodox Minister of the Interior to issue ID’s to Reform and Conservative Jews stating “Nationality:Jewish.” Rather than do so, Eli Yishay decided to remove the Nationality field from the ID card completely.
Supreme Court actually upheld this decision in the face of some citizens who insisted on having their nationality listed on their ID.
The interesting thing about this whole issue was that it was all about internal “Who is a Jew?” stuff, not about whether Jews, Arabs etc… should be told apart by their ID. But I’ll take good result no matter how they came about.
You and I both… I await my chance to try and vote Bibi out on Jan. 22.
So you think the people of the Golan Heights love being a part of Israel.:dubious:
You’re aware they’ve been offered Israeli citizenship and, virtually without exception, they’ve all rejected it.
Ah, “major discrimination”.
I’m reminded of all those apologists for the Dhimmi status Jews and Christians faced under Islamic law. That they only faced “soft discrimination” and were “practically equals”.
But Golan heights is different from West Bank, isn’t it?
what are you comparing the discrimination with??
the type of discrimination African-Americans face in USA or
the Dhimmi status Jews and Christians faced under Islamic law.
Then perhaps the Arabs should come up for some compensation for the descendants of Jews who were chased out of Gaza, Hebron, Cairo, Jerusalem and Baghdad back in '48. It’s all about righting past wrongs, right? And the Arabs have a passionate sense of justice, right?
The border between Israel and Lebanon was established as part of the Sykes-Picot Agreement, while the border between Israel and Egypt was set between the Ottoman and British Empires in 1906. The Israeli-Jordanian border was established solely by the British, when they founded the Kingdom of Transjordan.
Path to peace that Israel pursues is exactly this - until Palestinians accept that they lost there will be no peace. Since Israelis are leeching off slowly - and killing off slowly too (not too many civilians - just right amount) and over the decades the prospects of peace are dim as there always will be something new to accept. The only circumstantial benefit - and that’s by design - is that Israelis are dealing with heavily disorganized and historically abused ethnic group they can mount no serious attempt to get their stuff back.
The phrase “land for peace” where Israel was supposed to give up some land for peace is the paradigm but reality for quite a long time is pursuit of “land for war” where every new settlement, every new house built by Israelis in occupied territory is an investment in maintaining status quo of eternally pissed off Palestinians .
This is exactly right. For there to be peace, the Arabs must give up their dream of putting an end to Jewish Israel.
What do you think should be done to “get the stuff back” of the hundreds of thousands of Jews who were chased out of Gaza City, Hebron, Baghdad, Jerusalem, and many other places by Arabs in the 1930s and 40s?
Or do you believe that once Arabs have successfully ethnically cleansed an area, it becomes Arab land forever?
Unfortunately, the Arabs are eternally pissed off regardless of how many houses Israelis build or tear down. Thus the current situation in Gaza even though Israel withdrew a number of years ago. Note also that there were no Jewish settlements on the West Bank between 1948 and 1967. And yet the Arabs were “eternally pissed off” nonetheless.