Yeah, no. As much as I hate parseing, please parse my posts, you seem to be seeing what you want to see, not what I actually posted.
Then explain exactly what you meant by “As hard as it is to get treatment these days, you strike me as a fat man complaining about finger bowls” if not what Colibri interpreted your meaning to be. You keep saying “I didn’t say that” when anyone’s tried to respond to it, but you’ve yet to elucidate just what it is you did mean. Well, out with it.
He walked into traffic because he was hallucinating, as people have been known to do after a head trauma. Perhaps a CAT scan would have been in order before the psychiatric triage. As for the accident itself being a suicide attempt, he didn’t describe the accident, so I don’t know where you get that from.
The medical treatment apparently saved his life. It’s only been a week now since his experience in the triage unit, so how do you know it turned his life around? Even if it did not happen as he described; even if he genuinely is suicidal, a night and a day and another night in a psychiatric unit won’t cure someone of suicidal ideations. (If, I say again, Fab really has them.)
If one believes Fab’s account as posted, he didn’t get any treatment. No group therapy, no medication. He was warehoused. If you don’t believe his account, what do you think really happened? Parse his posts in the other thread yourself, and tell us which details ring true and which false.
Where do you get that he was seeking help from the board? He was sharing something that happened to him, as many Dopers do.
It was written coherently. Is that what hurts his credibility? What’s your stance on his mental state, because I’m not clear. You think he has mental problems and is delusional about his treatment? Or you think he has no problems and is attention whoring? It has to be one or the other: he needs treatment or he doesn’t. And if it did go down the way he described, that treatment wasn’t helping anyone.
Again I say, what are your credentials?
To follow up on Q.E.D.s post, why don’t you parse it for us, then. What exactly did you mean by this, if not what I said?
It was a triage unit RUN by Lakeside at the Regional Medical Center.
I think you mean “without” beds. And had I known there’d be no beds–and that I’d be there a day & a half–I would have walked out of the ER no matter how bad my head was hurting.
Oopsie, jjimm. Somebody’s a lazy reader…and an asshole.
I’m not even sure that I’d class the walking out into traffic as due to hallucinations. Why? Not because I’m a mental health professional, but because once upon a time, when I broke my arm, I was so focused on getting to a safe place to sit down and just hold my arm and curl into a ball until the pain went away that I almost skated into traffic. Had I done so, I probably would have been run into, caused a pileup, and might have injured myself worse.
Fortunately for me, I was at a rollerskating rink, not on a busy road, and the person who intervened and kept me out of traffic was a friend not a (possibly over-)zealous emergency medical services provider. He made me stay safe in the center of the rink for what felt like a very long time, until there was enough of a break in traffic to safely cross. By the time I got medical care (hours later, mostly by my own choice) I was calm, collected, in pain and pretty sure that I (just) had a broken arm. So I was x-rayed to confirm the diagnosis, then splinted and sent home to return the next day for a cast (it being deemed not enough of an emergency to call an orthopedic surgeon in to put a cast on after midnight, if he could do it before surgery the next morning).
Admittedly, I was not claiming to be a burden, which claim supports the notion of walking into traffic as qualifying as a suicide attempt–or at least justifies further investigation.
In general it strikes me as sad, but not surprising, that “we”(as a society) sometimes treat our most vulnerable in ways that only make them more vulnerable. This is particularly true with respect to the issue of “is it informed consent if you don’t tell them that you want to lock them up in a not particularly pleasant environment until you have time to evaluate them properly”. I don’t want to believe that Fabulous Creature’s story is typical but I have a feeling it is all too common.
And AHunter3’s second attorney-client discussion above is all too remniscent of a scene in Good Night and Good Luck where it is discussed that if the Columbia Broadcasting Service wants to take on McCarthy, they need to be unimpeachable–no Communists in their closets. (I saw the movie Friday)
I live in Australia where the psych. hospital stuff might be quite different in some ways, but some things are probably the same.
If you are taken by AMBULANCE to a unit (whether psych or general emergency) you MUST be admitted through the triage/assessment unit until your condition has been evaluated by an MD of some sort.
Because Fabulous Creature was first attended by an Ambo crew, he/she would have been transferred from their care immediately to the hospital, and effectively unable to discharge him/herself without going through mega-hoops to do so.
And yes, getting admitted to a public psych hospital here in Australia is incredibly difficult if one is being referred by a local doctor or even self-referred. It takes some major pyschic malfunction to be able to get a bed.
BUT…as I said…being admitted by Ambulance, by a crew who were concerned for his/her mental stability at the time, would take precedence in all circumstances here.
Guess that makes me the lazy reader.
(Not sure I quite agree that makes me an asshole, since the reason for the appellation is in Hentor’s head, but I doubt there’s anything I could do to disabuse him of this notion.)
As a fellow Memphian I can attest to many, many complaints about The Med. One that includes my family directly was almost the same circumstance. My 79 year old grandfather was taken in a few years ago by ambulance after sneaking out and wrecking my grandmother’s car while she slept. He was disoriented/confused and they asked HIM if they could do a psych evaluation. He wasn’t even clearheaded enough to properly give consent, but if we hadn’t gotten there in time they probably would have gone on and done it. Thing was, he was going through end stage liver disease and had dementia. They didn’t check him in any way for any of this…didn’t check him for anything that would have caused temporary mental confusion other than a head scan, before they wanted to admit him to psych.
Luckily my brother got there and cleared everything up, but what if they’d treated him that way? Then again they released him while he was still barely coherent and he slipped and fell down the steps on the way out the door, but my brother took him to St. Francis, where his insurance was.
I don’t know, but I know I’ve heard enough from others that I wouldn’t want to go there. Give me the Methodist hospital in Raleigh any time.
Wow.
Well one thing is for sure. There is a shortage of good psychiatric hosptals specializing in anger management where op ripper lives.
Really, why DO you feel the need to respond to reasonable questions and posts with out of control frustration and anger?
Maybe he has a chemical imbalance in his brain?
Maybe he’s been sniffing chemtrails.