Optimus Prime Is Jewish

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okay, about a week ago I was haveing a jokeing conversation about the religions of diffrent things.

I gave a bit of a speach about why I thought transformers were jewish, not from a sterotypeical veiwpoint but from the “religious” stuff they have mentioned, especially in beast wars. mostly from the spark/allspark religion that comes up often if a transformer dies.
such that every transformer’s soul is a spark, and their ‘god’ is the allspark which is both the combination of all the sparks plus sort of its own thing. so that your part of the allspark before your activated then go back to it when you die.

I said this based on my shoddy knowlage of transformer’s religion… added to my very very shoddy knowlage of the jewish religion, but I thought that I had heard something like that as a jewish belief (likely not so simplifyed).

then on family guy they made a joke about optimus prime being jewish…

was that just a really random joke on their part, or am I on to something?

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I think it’s just a random joke. It’s not like you can check out Prime’s codpiece and see if he had entered a covenant with Primus or whatever.

(And really, if you’re going to talk about Transformers religion, you better be up on your Primus and Unicron theology… :wink: )

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well there were four or five origin stories of transformers…

however the most ‘religious’ series was beast wars, which barely did anything ever other than rant about the robot afterlife and sparks and the all spark and such.

is the idea of souls being like that a jewish idea? or did I make that up?

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The spark was not the god of the Transformers, if anything was their god it was Vector Sigma. If you want to get deeper then that you have to go look not at beast wars, but Beast Machines. They did a pretty decen tie in with The First seris.

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Primus theology? So Les Claypool is God, or what? I guess it makes sense, as they form a trinity…

Or perhaps one could worship Wynona’s Big Brown Beaver?

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…What, no mention of the Autobot Matrix? It was the thing who’s name they took in vain all the time. (“By the Matrix!”)

'Course, they took Prime’s name in vain fairly often, too. (“That’s just Prime…” “Yeah, what’s left of 'im!”)

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What about Primus, the Transformers’ creator-deity in the comics?

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"Do not question the wisdom of Vector Sigma!"

– the ghost of Alpha Trion

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Okay, for a serious answer:

from here

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Are you sure this is about the robot and not that national guardsman who changed his name to Optimus Prime? I know, I know, I watched the Family Guy also.

With regards to Homebrew’s post, I thought that Ba’al had something to do with evil, at least if I remember the book Devine Invasion with any degree of clarity.

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Crapspackle. Upon further review, I see the problem in the last paragraph of my previous post. Ba’al (which literally means to - on or maybe in - on in hebrew) translates as posessor or owner of an object - as defined here.

The relation to Devine Invasion is a mistake on my part. That book refers to Belial, which can be used as a synonym for Satan, according to this site.

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Yeah, well Unicron would have been their god if it was for that meddling Hot Rod!

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Just to inject a little seriousness into this thread, Larry DiTillo (former Beast Wars writer) said that the notion of the “Allspark” was a subtle attempt to tie the comic-book origin (Primus, god of the Transformers) into the television canon. References by Decepticons/Predacons to “The Pit” were meant to refer to the same source, albeit one with a different name.

Here’s how I see it:
Primus - God of the Transformers, former guardian of light, arch-nemesis of the dark god Unicron.
Vector Sigma - Font of divine knowledge, aspect of Primus.
The AllSpark/The Inferno - Future incarnation of Vector Sigma.
Alpha Trion - Elderly Transformers geek, most reknown for being very old. No divine influence.

All IMO, anyway. Hey, anything beats the “naturally-evolving system of gears and pullys” that came from the first comic… :wink: