Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread

It’s not. If you were surprised that you would resort to killing them in their sleep it might be, but there is nothing stopping a Lawful character coming to the conclusion that assassination is the best option available to them. Being lawful does not mean you have to die by Queensbury rules. A monk’s self-control is as much a lawful trait as a paladin’s code of ethics.

I agree. The first thing a mindflayer does in life is eat their siblings. The second thing it does is eat the brain of a helpless prisoner and seize control of their body. An illithid is nothing more than a smart headcrab.

Yup, like you I was pretty fond of Bloodfeast the Extrem-inator. Sigh. :wink:

Haley has all those wands (Chekhov’s [del]gun[/del]wands!) she grabbed from Z’s body. Perhaps one of them can cast Darkness over Durkon? Would that shield him from the sun?

Hmmm.

I am highly entertained by this.

Incidentally, re-reading Start of Darkness yesterday I noted a passing mention by Redcloak’s brother about his child (or maybe a niece; I can’t remember) who was sent off “to be raised by humans or worse” for their own safety (i.e. to keep them away from Xykon). I’m wondering if this goblin is likely to show up at some point.

Heh. A friend of mine had an extremely long-running (I think like twenty years) campaign that involved at some point a war against mind flayers. After the PCs won the war, they were contacted by a surviving Elder Brain who had decided for purely selfish reasons that it needed to develop altruism: it had analyzed illithid weakness during the war and concluded that their lack of empathy and altruism was a fatal weakness that would eventually doom their species. Only it had absolutely no understanding of either empathy or altruism, just knew that they were mysterious traits some humanoids had, so it enlisted the PCs’ help in attempting to develop those attributes.

Of course, the remaining elder brains saw this as the most appalling taboo-transgression possible and launched an all-out attack on the renegade Elder Brain and its human assistants…

I figure it’s Chekhov’s Goblin - she wouldn’t have been mentioned unless she was going to be used in the story at some point.

Other dangling plot hooks are the story of Haley’s mother and the mystery of the Holey Brotherhood.

I would be extremely surprised if the Holey Brotherhood were anything more than they appear to be. A one note joke based around a pun, as a hook to set up the “as bad as Baron Pineapple?” joke.

Categorical imperative ftagh’n ! Ia, ia, metaphysics !

It’s dusk very shortly, isn’t it? So we’re going to get to see Durkon get unholy on their arses.

Not in the next 30 seconds, and he’d still have to meditate to get his spells. But he’d at least get to do some proper vampire-y stuff once it gets dark.

Again, no, this is not correct. It is not the way of the D&D world for goblins to always be evil. The rules listing for goblins says “Alignment: Usually neutral evil”. Similarly, the listing for orcs says “Alignment: Often chaotic evil”. This is in contrast to, say, devils, which are “Alignment: Always lawful evil”.

If you come across a devil, in any circumstances, you’re morally justified to just slay it immediately, on the spot, for no other reason than that it is a devil. You are not, however, morally justified to slay goblins just because they’re goblins. If a group of goblins attacks you, you’re justified in killing them, but then, the same is true if a group of humans attacks you: The justification is not because they’re “always evil” (they’re not), but because they’re attacking you.

I don’t think there’s anything explicit but a previous discussion in the thread came to the tentative conclusion that Darkness would probably not negate the full strength of the sun’s power but Deeper Darkness might.

Actually, that’s exactly what it means. A lawful character believes in following a code of conduct. A lawful good code of conduct is going to frown on killing helpless foes. Probably, so is a lawful neutral one, and possibly so is a lawful evil one. I’d argue that a monk strangling someone in their sleep is as much an alignment violation as a paladin cutting the throat of an unconscious bandit. Or, for that matter, Roy lopping off the heads of sleeping goblins. The difference between Roy, and a monk or a paladin, is that there’s no consequence to Roy for violating his alignment.

When V was polymorphed into a lizard, he thinks that he knows three spells that don’t require somantic components: Feather Fall, Hold Portal and Suggestion. But Suggestion requires the target to understand your speech (so it sort of does have a somantic component) so that leaves him with Feather Fall and Hold Portal. Neither is likely to be very useful when strangled into silence.

“Somatic” is gestures, though. “Verbal” is speech (even if it ought to be “oral”, technically). Admittedly it’s not over-likely that V has anything useful prepared using the Still Spell or Silent Spell feats, but it’s possible.

Haha… you’re 100% correct. I mentally confused “somantic” with “semantic” and it made sense in my head since V was a lizard with lizard feet and “fingers” but not much verbalization.

“The undigested life is not worth living.”
“The greatest good for the greatest number of tentacles!!!
“The soul is distinct from the body.”
“Over all bodies and mind, the Illithum are stewards, not sovereign.”
“The end justifies the means. Crahk ya 'iiggg Krgmnicon!”

God I hate Tarquin.

You may have given the world a useful new portmanteau word to describe a wizard’s words and gestures, though. :smiley: